Industry Reponses to Mall Attacks

This is a discussion on Industry Reponses to Mall Attacks within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by goawayfarm Let's be a little realistic for a moment...... Even if someone had been armed at that mall....Would they have wanted to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post
    Let's be a little realistic for a moment......

    Even if someone had been armed at that mall....Would they have wanted to go up against a BG with an AK...armed with a handgun? (It makes me want to start carrying a rifle for protection...in that situation, I'd feel a little out-gunned.)
    I can guarantee you that if I had been in that store with my carry I would not have been surrying out of there as quickly as possible unless the BG had been 'armored' like the two bank robbers in LA(?) a few years ago. I would have tried to get an angle on him while utilizing cover to my advantage to attempt head and/or COM shots.
    Do I want to ever get in that situation? No. But if I ever found myself in one I would do what I was able to, just like many, many others on this board I'm sure would do if it came to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Sarge View Post
    If you have been following the news reports, Westroads Mall did have Security watching the shooter. He was acting in a suspicious manner they stated. But, he had departed the building them reappeared a few minutes later, and the weapon was hidden in a rolled up sweatshirt, they stated. He immediately got into an elevator, to the 3rd floor. So given this information, Security couldn't really act, at that exact moment, and by time the shooter exited the elevator, he came out shooting. No way, could have security prevented this from happening.
    If I was working unarmed security, you can bet your a** that I wouldn't be trying to defeat a BG armed with a rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Yep. ^^ [Old Sarge]

    Outside of hiring a personal protection person/detail to escort ones self around and through public venues and those hired persons being armed, skilled, and alert...
    But these security personnel still have to obey the same laws as the rest of us when it comes to disarming and GFZs unless they are off duty LEOs or the state code exempts them (not in VA IIRC).

    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    Here's my response: I'm going to the mall this afternoon for some event that my daughter is participating in... I'll be taking everything I've got.

    Mentioned the mall shooting to my wife, and she starts off about how the mall we're going to is a "nice" mall, implying nothing bad could happen there.
    Point out to her that Westroads was a "nice" mall until last week. Ask her what her definitions of "random" and "unexpected" are.

    How to harden the target? Easy. Require all customers to change into mall supplied jumpsuits and use a metal detector. People will do just about anything to get to the mall. Look at airport security. Stinky feet and strip searches. Nobody cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post

    How to harden the target? Easy. Require all customers to change into mall supplied jumpsuits and use a metal detector. People will do just about anything to get to the mall. Look at airport security. Stinky feet and strip searches. Nobody cares.
    unfortunately, the response will probably be to put up metal detectors at many malls...which will force us to enter unarmed.

    That means the parking lots have 2 bad things going for them:

    you leave and enter your car unarmed, making everyone an even higher risk for carjacking and robbery at their cars.

    And there are now cars out there with unnattended guns...which is an attraction for bg's who need guns.

    I am seriously worried about the solutions we are about to see....

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