Industry Reponses to Mall Attacks

Industry Reponses to Mall Attacks

This is a discussion on Industry Reponses to Mall Attacks within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; These folks just don't get it: Original article: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...75053.auvf30tq But industry officials conceded that random acts of violence, like the Omaha attack in which 19-year-old ...

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    Industry Reponses to Mall Attacks

    These folks just don't get it:

    Original article: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...75053.auvf30tq

    But industry officials conceded that random acts of violence, like the Omaha attack in which 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people before turning the gun on himself, were difficult to prevent. (Duh!)

    Omaha's Westroads Mall, as other US shopping centers, had just received 45,000 dollars from the government to improve its security before Wednesday's massacre, said Homeland Security Department spokeswoman Amy Kudwa. (What did they do, put up more GFZ signs?)

    "These random acts of violence can strike anywhere -- at schools, office buildings, post offices -- anywhere law-abiding (and don't forget unarmed ) citizens are present," Simon Property Group, which owns several US malls, said in a statement.

    "Law enforcement and security prevention measures, no matter how good, cannot forestall a tragedy such as this from happening," it said. (Ever consider law abiding, and armed, citizens in your scenarios?)


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    Well said! Mall security is important, but as with most law-enforcement they are reactionary and will arrive too late to do much good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalexplr View Post
    Omaha's Westroads Mall, as other US shopping centers, had just received 45,000 dollars from the government to improve its security before Wednesday's massacre, said Homeland Security Department spokeswoman Amy Kudwa. (Ever consider law abiding, and armed, citizens in your scenarios?)
    Why in the @#$$% is the Federal Government giving a company that manages a mall taxpayer money? Use their own @##$$#@@@ money to improve their security.
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    the government has huge interests in keeping malls safe. They get like 8% (depending on where you live) of all sales + like 5% of all employees money. Malls are like money farms for the government.
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    They should've used the money to buy bigger "NO GUN" signs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceDoGood View Post
    the government has huge interests in keeping malls safe. They get like 8% (depending on where you live) of all sales + like 5% of all employees money. Malls are like money farms for the government.
    Then the Federal Government should have financial security packages for ALL businesses in the U.S., not just a select few.
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    They'll probably buy more camera's with it...

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    Actually I thought the article was pretty good. True they don't want to say that their gun free zones are useless but when they said, "These random acts of violence can strike anywhere -- at schools, office buildings, post offices -- anywhere law-abiding citizens are present," Simon Property Group, which owns several US malls, said in a statement.

    "Law enforcement and security prevention measures, no matter how good, cannot forestall a tragedy such as this from happening,"
    they seemed to understand and weren't trying to give the sheep the usual false sense of security. Now people need to translate this into, "you need to take measures for your own self-defense". IMHO those measures include a good situational awareness and avoidance technique class and the carrying of a firearm.
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    They need cameras with like computer controlled precision guns attached to them or something, with a security guard at the controls at ALL times
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    If you have been following the news reports, Westroads Mall did have Security watching the shooter. He was acting in a suspicious manner they stated. But, he had departed the building them reappeared a few minutes later, and the weapon was hidden in a rolled up sweatshirt, they stated. He immediately got into an elevator, to the 3rd floor. So given this information, Security couldn't really act, at that exact moment, and by time the shooter exited the elevator, he came out shooting. No way, could have security prevented this from happening.

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    What can $45000 really buy to improve security? It actually isn't enough to do an honest assessment of potential weak spots for an attack, or hire 2 Officers to work while they are open. I think it's a total waste of tax payer's money. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Yep. ^^ [Old Sarge]

    Folks looking to security and/or police protection with hope of instantaneous ust in the nick of time before anyone gets hurt results are living in a fantasy world.

    Outside of hiring a personal protection person/detail to escort ones self around and through public venues and those hired persons being armed, skilled, and alert acting as ones 'shepherd', to expect similar same individually or even group specific be there right now results from security and/or police is just not being realistic.

    But, one can get similar if not same results for a fraction of the personal protection professional dollar and get real results at a high level if and when by the off chance one were to find themselves caught up in a Trolley, or Westfield Mall, or even a home invasion...

    Either purchase a trained security dog and with that invest in a 'Seeing Eye Dog' style walking rig & placard, along with dark glasses, to go with you legally everywhere and anywhere you might desire.



    Or

    Invest in yourself and family and exercise your right to carry and along with that take several courses toward as much and spend atleast one weekend a month training.


    Otherwise when the hammer drops it's left up to the blind to lead the blind and folks live or die by luck alone.

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    I like your dog idea Jang... But the dog is just as much as a target as you or I would be. But a blind man opening fire on a BG, that just might work.
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    Sixto,

    What you do is release the dog and command it to go after the BG.
    BG refocuses his attention on to the dog, who might maybe make mince meat of the BG, while you the 'sight impaired' handler turns and runs like hell in the opposite direction.
    A play borrowed from the what do you do when a bear comes across your tracks playbook. All you have to worry about is having a sacrificial lamb/bodyguard on hand to offer up. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Sarge View Post
    If you have been following the news reports, Westroads Mall did have Security watching the shooter. He was acting in a suspicious manner they stated. But, he had departed the building them reappeared a few minutes later, and the weapon was hidden in a rolled up sweatshirt, they stated. He immediately got into an elevator, to the 3rd floor. So given this information, Security couldn't really act, at that exact moment, and by time the shooter exited the elevator, he came out shooting. No way, could have security prevented this from happening.

    And no way could the cops have prevented this from happening.

    Why, then, are those two entities the very things we are told to depend on for our safety?

    The fact is, only an armed citizen in the midst of the scene (or perhaps an off-duty cop who was armed) could have put a quick stop to it, and usually even then he'd have to wait until a victim or several had been killed before knowing what was going down.

    But every public figure (with the exception of Ted Nugent and John Lott) is too afraid to speak that simple truth.

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