This is a discussion on Would it make a difference? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey It's long past time that we at least let people have the OPTION. It's madness that we keep seeing these things ...
I do realize that in order to help, a CCW'er would have to be in the right place at the right (wrong) time.
One thing is for sure - banning the occasional CCW citizen does nothing to help keep the BG's in line.
I hope the corporate suits will wise up
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G. Alan Foster
It will all depend on a dramatically higher percentage of people carrying, and that higher percentage carrying where you are. At that moment, there are more "mines" in the "minefield."
Two percent of a state's population having CHL's means that only a fraction of the people in any venue are carrying at any time. At 20%, then I'd say we'll begin to see a difference in safety.
The last two shootings in Colorado Springs were self defense. Liquor store owner will not be prosecuted (took nearly 48 hours for DA to decide) for shooting in self defense during an armed robbery attempt. Second occurred when an restraining order failed to keep a husband who threatened the wife's life at bay. As of Wednesday, she has not been arrested... not sure if a final decision has been made by the DA. These were one-on-one situations. The good guys had weapons and were able to save their own lives.
The mall shooting, and most GFZ shoointgs, must be viewed as a different situation since there are so many more bystanders that can be killed by errant or through-and-through rounds. Add the fact that you are in a big place with lots of people... SA becomes tougher.
I carry fragmenting "home-defense" rounds at home and in public. I practice with my carry gun - and still need to spend more time at the range. I feel I'm more mentally prepared to handle a confrontation by talking my way out of it or, if need be, making a flight-or-fight decision.
A lot of mental prep comes from reading the thoughtful musings of members here. My situational awareness has certainly been improved over the past year since I joined.
I mention this because, to a person, the folks from the mall said it took several moments to minutes, to realize that the sounds they heard were gunshots - a threat. And, six minutes is long time.
None of this is easy and situations such as VT and the mall shooting do not lend themselves to easy answers. More citizens able to defend themselves is a good thing. Willing is another matter: there are too many variables, and too much stress, to predict the behavior of individuals in the group. I agree that fewer GFZ would lead to fewer unopposed shootings... but you can't stop them from happening. IMO.
Protect your family. Reload. Call 911.
Does anyone remember the details of the incident at the Tacoma mall in WA a few years ago? A licensed CCWer stood up to a shooter but I think instead of just shooting the freak he challenged him and got shot for his troubles with permanent crippling damage.
Brady's map of high profile shootings. Draw your own conclusions, but look at where all the little dots are...
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -- George Orwell
Ron Paul 2008!
How often that chance encounter would occur, no one can say.
Just imagine that anyone cowering in a dressing room in a mall shop is cowering there with a GUN AIMED AT THE DOOR, waiting for the moment the bad guy steps through. That would make a ******* difference, wouldn't you say?
Can anyone give an "average" ratio of LEOs to citizens in say ... a population of 100,000? I know, it'll be a swag at best. My point is, even though CCW holders in any given municipality are a small percentage of the whole, they very likely give whackos more than triple the number of LEOs to be concerned about.
Suspect that's why crime in general goes down as the number of CCW permits issued goes up. Everyone benefits when a handful see fit to accept the responsibility.
Have a good weekend foks;
I don't think it would make vfery much difference at all.
Most people ignore "gun free zone" postings anyway...
I know several people that have permits and NONE of them carry. They only carry when they go on a trip.. Go figure. The BG's are only on the highway or "out of town". But then I go to Walmart here and see people printing quite often. I always felt if something goes down in Walmart there's going to be atleast a couple people there to do something..
The pount is, there is not a chance of doing anything if the mall is posted, but there is atleast a chance someone will be there and do something about it if ccw is allowed. The situation would have to be just right for most to react and feel they could do something. It's a needle in a haystack..( so far).