Wish Me Luck

Wish Me Luck

This is a discussion on Wish Me Luck within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; i got made at work today. as i've said in other posts in the past, i work in a warehouse, where most of the guys ...

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    i got made at work today. as i've said in other posts in the past, i work in a warehouse, where most of the guys i work with also carry, or are at least sympathetic to carrying. most of the cubicle zombies, i'm told, are not so sympathetic. as such, i was warned not to mention that i carry a gun, own a gun, or talk about guns in their presence, unless it was in reference to hunting. i've followed my boss's advice, and steered clear of any uncomfortable situations.

    today, one of the cube zombies came downstairs into the warehouse to ask about an order. before she began, i reminded her about her safety glasses; she complied, but was irritated. she was concerned about an order getting shipped, and was intent on getting it done. i told her that i never received the order she mentioned. she then requested, rudely, that i pack the order anyway, and that she'd clear it with my foreman. i replied that i can only pack jobs that i had slips for, and that neither my foreman, production supervisor, or plant manager had given me any such slip, nor was i given a verbal request for any. if i did pack the order, i would be the one responsible for it in case it was done incorrectly, or was lost in shipping, or if anything else went wrong. as such, i couldn't do it. she gave me an evil once over, and yelled "FINE!" before stomping off, and throwing her glasses across the plant floor.

    2 hours later, the plant manager called me into his office. he's very easygoing, fair, and likes his employees. he first asked how the shift was going, how much we got done, and how many more jobs did i think would be done by 6pm. we chatted for a bit more, then he asked me to sit. he closed the door, then asked me if he could ask me a question. i said "sure". he asked me if everything was alright with me, if i was okay, and about me in general, which was a little confusing. i told him everything was great, actually. i thought maybe the cube zombie had complained about my "attitude," which she's known for. he then, very hesitantly, asked me "umm, are you.....carrying.....a gun?"

    oh, crap.

    i admitted that i was. i saw no point in lying to him. he's never lied to me about anything, and i felt uncomfortable lying to him. he asked me why i felt it was necessary to do so. i explained that i live in a rough part of town, and i wait for the bus at 6am, then transfer downtown for another bus at 6:35. my job is located in the warehouse/meth head district. at that time of day, the only people on the street are people on their way to work, and those up to no good. i went on to say that i don't make it a habit of showing off my gun, nor do i talk about it. he sat quietly for a moment, then said that our company policy forbids carrying of illegal weapons or contraband on the property. i then mentioned that i do have a permit, so technically, i wasn't carrying illegally. he looked rather surprised, and then asked me "well, how long have you been bringing a gun to work, then? i won't mention it to the owner, i just would like to know." i only said "for awhile, now." he then said that someone saw the gun, and became very upset and anxious about it (i can only guess who), especially with what just happened in omaha, yadda yadda yadda.

    i asked him plainly what was going to happen to me as a result. he said that if were him that saw it, he would have had the same talk with me, just to clarify things, and left it at that. "unfortunately, you know that she went and also informed so-and-so after telling me. i got a call, and we're having a meeting about the situation on monday morning. you're status is unchanged until then, but i can't say much more than that." i told him i understood, which i do, really. i went back down to the floor. my foreman asked me what was wrong; i told him the cube zombie made me. his face dropped, which isn't reassuring. "well, how are you carrying?" i showed him, i was carrying IWB, with an extra long and thick flannel shirt over it. i wasn't printing, so i the only thing i can think of is that she must have seen it on another occasion, and decided to be spiteful, in retaliation for not doing what she wanted, when she wanted.

    i wonder how she owuld have reacted if she knew i was also pocket carrying a .380?

    i might be out of a job come monday, right in time for x-mas. wish me luck, guys, in keeping my job, or finding a new one fast.


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    Good luck Jahwarrior. Is there a company policy against carrying at work? You have a permit, and although you were unknowingly exposed, you still are allowed by law to carry in your state. Stand proud, and I hope all goes well for you.
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    the policy forbids the carrying of "illegal" weapons. i carry a spyderco chinook II and karambit, which i use instead of those cheap box cutters we're supplied. the chinook would get me in trouble faster than a gun would, in my town. it's the "illegal" part of the policy that gets me. i have my LTCF, so i'm legal. on paper, i'm not violating company policy. but you know how these thing go....

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    'Tis the season to be fired! My wife just got the boot last week - she's 6 months pregnant with our second child, and it was right before her birthday... not to mention Christmas.

    Anyways I hope you don't get fired. If company policy only forbids illegal weapons/contraband(and a gun isn't listed as such), and not legally carried firearms, I don't see how they can get rid of you, but if they want to they'll think of something. If they do let you go I bet it will be interesting to see how they do it considering they know you'll very likely be armed when they go to do it. And we all know how crazy and unpredictable a man with a gun is!

    Ps. I hate people like that chick you mentioned.

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    I see you mentioned being open about your carry with fellow carrying and non-carrying employees. THAT was your mistake. She never MADE your weapon, the gossip did. Now she sank your battleship...

    My policy is noone knows jack.

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    Sorry to hear. Good luck with everything. Are there any major CCW/pro 2a groups you could talk to? I hear that thrown out a lot when issues like this come up in VA.
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    Hmmm...warehouse downstairs, offices upstairs, Scranton PA.....do you work at Dunder-Mifflin?!?

    Kidding - good luck on Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmarkob View Post
    Hmmm...warehouse downstairs, offices upstairs, Scranton PA.....do you work at Dunder-Mifflin?!?

    Kidding - good luck on Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surprise View Post
    I see you mentioned being open about your carry with fellow carrying and non-carrying employees. THAT was your mistake. She never MADE your weapon, the gossip did. Now she sank your battleship...

    My policy is noone knows jack.
    that did cross my mind. when i first started there, i had no idea that most of the guys also carried, and after awhile i let on that i did as well. we don't go on and on about guns and such; once in awhile, some of us make plans to go to the local outdoor range, or talk about hunting, but never, EVER in front of cube zombies. in our minds, we're all in it together. my co workers are some of the best bunch of guys i've ever worked with.

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    But they talk. Eventually it gets around. Especially to a skirt.

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    Good luck, bro.
    I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.

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    Good luck, and win one for the good guys. Seems in situations like this it depends on who you get. I hope for your sake, and the sake of everyone ahead of you, that you get someone with a lick of common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surprise View Post
    I see you mentioned being open about your carry with fellow carrying and non-carrying employees. THAT was your mistake. She never MADE your weapon, the gossip did. Now she sank your battleship...

    My policy is noone knows jack.
    ^

    I, too, would bet that she just "knew" already and decided to screw with him.

    What a frakkin' PSYCHO! If anyone ought to be fired, it's her!

    Good luck, dude.

    And let this be a lesson: "NO ONE who doesn't need to be SHOT needs to know that you're carrying a gun!"

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    It appears you were not violating the law or your company policy. Also, remember that some of your supervisors were aware of your carry (and other employees carry) and did not have any issues with it.

    As such, I think it would be difficult to fire you. If they try, give your state's department of labor a call and see what they say. Remember there are employment laws that prevent employers from treating you unfairly.

    I would guess they are meeting to discuss the general issue of firearms in the company and possible changes to the policy.

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    Wow, I think you handled everything as well as you could have and it sounds like you enjoy your job. So keep playing it smart so you can keep it.
    I think the wording in company policy will save you from being fired. It says illegal weapons... and you already pointed out that your legal. Worst case is they change policy because of your case and the zombies will know you as the nut that brought a gun to work. The only fix for that is to be extra nice and cool headed at work. I think you definatly will be watched closely and maybe even on the naughty list for awhile.

    Oh yeah... Good luck, and keep us updated.
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