This is a discussion on Jeanne Assam's Performance in Colorado Church Shooting: MERGED within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Bonesnofoa That makes sense. How much does 1000+ rounds of rifle ammo weight? More than one would want to carry...pretty bulky...20 boxes ...
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If the media reported it, I would guess reality would be that he had 60 rounds with him, and the rest in his vehicle. Seems like if there is a gun involved they can't ever get the facts correct.
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Could they be counting whatever he left in his vehicle, rather than what he had on his person?
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Correction...more than WE would want to carry.
Because we carry concealed, we forget that in a backpack or ammo box carried on your shoulder, 20 boxes really isn't that much...we must HIDE our extra ammo AS WELL as our weapons...
As far as i can tell, he made no attempt to do that, making the carrying of that much ammo easier in a physical sense.
a neighbor of mine who knows that i carry has questioned me in the past about why i feel the need to carry in "the house of God," or, "a place of worship." i saw him on his front porch yesterday after work and asked if he'd seen the news over the weekend. he had, and he also said that he now understands why i'd carry everywhere i legally can, including church.
I live in Colo Springs and have freinds who attend New Life Church. I attend another church in town. I have a CHP and carry all the time, even at church. I sit in the back row and keep an eye on the vistabul and entrance. It was just a matter of time before this happened somewhere in Colo Springs. Those who thought I was a little nutty for carrying at church have seen the light. I had 4 call me since Sunday and ask how to get permitted.
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I can tell you what a 100rd drum weighs for my chicago typwriter and it is just about 8 pounds. That is loaded with 230gr ball ammo. With the 100rd drum and the gun together it is just a little over 21 pounds for the 1927A and right at 17pounds for the 1928A. I am sure there are many examples of different ammo that would be different weights. Just remember there are 7000gr to the pound.
21 pounds for a loaded Tommy Gun?! The M60 weighs 29 with a 100rd belt!
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
As much as it pains me to say it, I can't remember the weight of the M-16. But a little internet research tells me that unloaded it is 7.9 pounds and loaded with a 30 round magazine it weighs 8.79 pounds for a difference of 0.89 pounds. 33 magazines, using this information would weigh 29.37 pounds. That would be 990 rounds, leaving us only 10 short of the 1000.
Although I really have a feeling that the number of rounds wasn't exact. I'd guess he had several magazines on him and a police officer said "wow, that guy had about a 1000 rounds on him" to someone. A reporter heard the comment and reported that he had 1000 rounds on him.
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Lets get to back to the thread title; performance.
How many here would, as the scenario apparently unfolded, walk down the BG without cover, while he had multiple weapons, and was returning fire?
On another note, the Vietnam vet that took cover behind a column that turned out to be faux; bullet went right on through. Are we ready to assess our cover under fire?
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That vet also asked someone for a gun cause he said he could take him out and the person told him no, he asked a couple times and the person kept denying him. Not sure who he asked or such but I read it in the Denver Post.
go Jean go!
She put the rounds in him that stopped him and finished the fight in him ... whether he punched himself out or she did is only so much fiddle faddle.
Some reports are that: She cooly walked toward him while cooly shooting while saying 'Surrender' ... no doubt in the cold hearted, clenched teeth, grimaced Clint Eastwood tradition. Sounds baaad asss and downright dangerous.
Shoot that son of a gun into the ground as fast as possible with any reliable technique ... with or without concealment, cover or movement as appropriate.
She gets an A
and for Accuracy
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The latest blathering about he offed himself is immaterial to the final point, she did a stellar job better than most anyone pro or anti would predict muchless expect.
But...It does though present us civilians, LEOs already know this, that even if the BG is on the ground and slowed and leaking badly and appears to be done for the day one should still consider him/her armed and dangerous and quite possibly not stopped. This kid was determined to the very end.
He easily could have taken a shot at her or anyone else instead with that round he put in his own head. As well that pistol he found with his hand could've been the pin or pull strip to a grenade or IED about his person.
As we've all heard somewhere atleast once in life; 'Show me your hands! Put your hands where I can see them!'.
Never underestimate the willfulness of the determined, even the wounded working on a second to last breath.