This is a discussion on Teacher arrested-loaded firearm on school property within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Jaystekan I have a 6 year old kid in kindergarten right now. I teach him about firearms. My child knows to respect ...
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"Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the **** out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
Shame… Years of education, and years of experience down the toilet for a simple mistake. And unfortunately, the school board has chosen to view this kind of offence very harshly. I can see firing her, or even firing and fining, but taking her teaching certificate away, and lock her up is a bit much.
With an ever growing population of CCL holders, more mistakes like this are going to happen. Taken as a percentage of all CCL holders it will be a very very small percentage, but you know our liberal national media will run a muck with it.
Noone said she can't defend herself for the rest of her life. Let her keep a gun on her home. She should lose her CCW though. How many chances does a person get to mishandle a firearm before they is told she can no longer carry concealed? What if a kid had gotten that gun and killed a classmate? Think about it this way, the teacher does everythig exactly the same way, loses her gun exactly the same way, now a kid finds the gun instead of an adult. The kid plays with the gun, it goes off, someone is killed or injured(we all hear the news stories). Should the teacher then be given a slap on the wrists? A talking to by the principal? This teacher was saved from a lot of trouble by pure dumb luck. She is in trouble, yes, but if a kid got that, she would have been in a whole lot more trouble. She would have done nothing more wrong than losing her gun exactly like she did, but the story would have taken on a whole different vibe. This issue isn't about whether or not teachers should be allowed to carry. This story isn't about gun-free zones. This story isn't about anything except an irresponsible gun owner. Parents who leave their guns out in their own home are crucified when there is an incident of a child getting hold of the gun and something bad happening. This teacher took her gun to an area where guns are illegal, then not only did she take it there illegally, she lost it, not only did she lose it, but she either didn't know she lost it, or she decided not to notify school officials that she lost a gun on campus(if she knew she lost it). How many chances do we give her? If a kid shot someone with it, should she be given a second chance to concealed carry? Her actions in this situation wouldn't have changed, just the outcome. This teacher was one lucky s.o.b. I don't think she should get jail time or lose her teaching certificate, but YES she should lose her right to carry a firearm. Like I said earlier, we carry firearms into areas and situations where they normally wouldn't go, so we are and should be held to the highest of standards.
Sounds pretty irresponsible to be carrying.
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If we as a community don't acknowlege irresponsibility when it occurs (as in this case) and accept......no, make that demand appropriate accountability, then we run the risk of losing credibility as a community. While I have no doubt that this teacher feels terrible and never intended for such a thing to happen, that doesn't absolve her of responsibility, nor does it mean that we shouldn't hold her accountable with an appropriate consequence to her actions.
Would I want her teaching my daughter in 3d grade next year? No problem at all. Should she be allowed to ccw again? I think not.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft!
-- Theodore Roosevelt --
Letting your gun end up on the ground, out of your control, is definitely a no-no and, alas, she probably deserves whatever ends up happening legally.
More importantly, though, are the interesting things I learned about guns by reading these articles (particularly the second)! To wit:
Thank goodness for journalists.
- Only hardened criminals carry loaded guns, especially when loaded with hollow-point bullets.
- Only adults are capable of safely and responsibly handling firearms.
- People who carry guns are insane.
- Wonderful people who go to church regularly clearly have no need for firearms.
"By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, journalism keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community."
This woman deserves everything she gets.
I like the "hollow point" comments. Like that is evil intent.
Too bad she wasn't using a Smart Carry. This whole thing could have been prevented.
Either way, she wouldn't have dropped the firearm had it been in a holster and a holster like the Smart Carry is deep concealment, as opposed to owb or iwb, and isn't likley to be discovered unless she removes her clothing.
If a drunk driver kills someone & goes to jail for it, can they drive once they get out of jail? Do they lose their license forever? This is a serious question because I honestly don't know...
The reason I ask is this - if a drunk driver who actually kills someone is able to get their license back after serving their time, is there any reason why this woman should lose her concealed carry license when nothing bad actually came of her negligence?
Some kind of consequence must come from her negligence, but to be stripped of her right to defend herself seems a bit much, no? Convince me I'm wrong on this...
"It is only as retaliation that force may be used and only against the man who starts its use. No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had a right to choose: his own." - John Galt, from Atlas Shrugged