December 13th, 2007 02:08 PM
And she opened herself up for a BIG civil lawsuit!! Or,,,,,,,,, maybe they are already trying to do "damage control".
"It does not take a majority to prevail,,,,,,but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams
December 13th, 2007 03:36 PM
of course its the guns fault, not her sons, not hers, the guns
December 13th, 2007 06:10 PM
Why wasn't the 'deadly gun' locked up, out of reach of her child?
I don't know about everyone, but I'd be willing to guess that _most_ of the people on this board don't leave guns laying about the place, especially those with kids. As for me, it's either under my direct control, or it's in the safe.
I find it hard to be too critical of this woman. Regardless of where responsibility lies, she has to live with the knowledge of what her son did. I'd be a basket case if one of my kids did something like this. Impossible, you say? Hey, I've done the best I can, and I don't believe for a second that any of my kids could do something like this. On the other hand, I'd have said the same about some other stupid tricks my kids have pulled... You just never know.
Liberty is an inherently offensive lifestyle. Living in a free society guarantees that each one of us will see our most cherished principles and beliefs questioned and in some cases mocked. It's worth it.
December 13th, 2007 09:39 PM
Someone has read too many Stephen King novels!
Originally Posted by DMan
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Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho Marx
December 13th, 2007 11:36 PM
Seems like a lot of rotten fruit.
Originally Posted by SIXTO
An ounce of lead is worth 200lbs of cop.
December 13th, 2007 11:41 PM
I agree she failed as a parent, but the kid wasn't living at her house or any relatives house so to me the point could be made that the only benefit was he knew where to get the gun. It was a stolen gun, honestly someone could break into my house and steal some guns. Does that make the gun owner responsible? yes in part, that is why I carry liability insurance on them. He could have broke into any home and got any gun. This kid was dead set on killing and there isn't anything that will stop a person like that.
You know what is really sad, those morons from Topeka came up and protested at the victims funerals. "God sent the killer" If that was my family memeber I am afraid I would be held for assualt cause I would bust some heads.
Last edited by JD; December 14th, 2007 at 08:09 AM.
Reason: Removed possibly offensive comment. RE: Damn bible thumping morons.
December 14th, 2007 12:35 AM
I'm going to cut her a little slack, in spite her husband didn't secure his weapons. Her son has perpretated a heinous crime, and she's in shock still...she could be in denial, she could be trying to do damage control. My dad was on counciling team that went into the public school after our one of our town cops was shot by a crazy guy. He talked to a niece of the shooter, you wouldn't believe the stigma something like this leaves on the family left behind. Dad really felt for the niece.
But the really horrible thing is if she is trying to get famous on the back of her monsterous son after that was what he wanted then that's a total different issue all together..
"[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons.
They are left in full possession of them."
Zacharia Johnson (speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention,25 June 1778)"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
December 14th, 2007 10:26 AM
Apparently it's too much to ask of a parent to raise their kids right. We keep seeing more and more troubled kids getting a hold of some guns and killing groups of people. The problem isn't that there are guns, it's that these kids need help, and no one will help them. Parents should be the first on the list to help their own children out.
And why was he able to get a gun from his fathers "collection". Why weren't they locked up? They obviously knew something wasn't right.
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” Benjamin Franklin
I'm not pro gun, I'm pro rights. What are you?
December 14th, 2007 11:01 AM
Wow, everyone turn in your keys to your deadly car, give up your deadly cell phone (CNN just said they can blow up), and your deadly keys to your house if you have stairs! You might die!
This crap makes my blood pressure go up. Should we have better axe control?
December 14th, 2007 11:55 AM
Diane Sawyer Interviews Maribel Rodriguez, mother of mall shooter
Mall Shooter's Mother: 'Dear God, No!' Maribel Rodriguez Tells Diane Sawyer She Did 'Best' She Could With Her Son
Watch video at http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3994022&page=1
Maribel Rodriguez is in shock.
Diane Sawyer seems very aggressive and negative towards this woman, who, regardless of her son's actions, has lost a child and is in the center of a world of hurt.
Diane Sawyer uses some ambush tactics (playing her son's last voicemail) clearly trying to wring drama out of this terrible situation.
Yes, her son was an adult, and responsible for his actions. This was a criminal act, and I won't diminish her son's responsibility.
But this woman's life has been ruined, and I cannot muster any wrath. Maribel Rodriguez says at one point "You tell me, what could I have done differently? I did my best, because that's my only, only son".
Watching her, I find myself saying little more than a short, silent prayer that there, but for the grace of God, go I.
December 15th, 2007 05:25 AM
I have to say after reading the newspaper today and being it is a local omaha paper I say this lady should be investigated and personally the state should remove her two younger girls from her custody. She is an absolute failure as a parent. She was quoted as saying that she hadn't been in her sons life for 15 of his 19 yrs. Well correct me if I am wrong but how can you feel too much love for your own kid if you didn't give a crap about him enough to even be in contact with him for 15 of his 19 years??? She also stated that she is feeling a billion times more pain than the victims because she feels their pain and her sons. Well maybe she could have been a better parent and there would be no pain for the victims because there would be no victims. I think she is what I and most other parents would call a failure. She is there after his death but not before when he needed her the most. It is all crocodile tears.
December 15th, 2007 08:39 AM
I guess I would add one thing to this...
I tell parents to not take so much credit for their child's success, and not so much blame for their child's failure.
We all know people who grew up in households where they would have every right to be angry, antisocial and out-of-control...and aren't. They are wonderful, loving, productive members of our society.
We also probably know people who grew up in the perfect home (whatever that may be), yet turned out to be angry, antisocial and out-of-control.
Some people refuse to be victims. Some insist on it. JMO, but we all make choices. This woman may be a lousy parent. Or, she could be parent of the year. The SHOOTER made the choice to shoot.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliott
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
December 15th, 2007 08:49 AM
My thoughts and prayers go out to all those hurt by this young man. Including his own family.
Originally Posted by accordioncowboy
December 15th, 2007 09:29 AM
Id stock up on raincoats they'll attack umbrellas next!
I figured id google this , looks like there already in the works
I think we need some padded rooms for some of these people
NO MORE UMBRELLAS!
At least in Manhattan, where we will mandate first that all new buildings have rain awnings all the way around. Then we’ll slowly make the rest adapt, so you can walk down the sidewalk without getting wet, except for the sprint across the street.
I found annother reference, this one hits the nail on the head....oh wait scary hammer and sharp dangerous nail
for that reason why would anyone want to stand next to someone with a deadly weapon, I can not even fathom a good reason for something thats supposed to keep you dry to sport a deadly sharp point
"What if? If not, who needs seatbelts, life rafts, and fire extingishers. Sure theres other ways, if thats what you want... I know ill be alive, dry, and not on fire!"
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December 15th, 2007 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by miklcolt45
A big Plus ONE! Very well put I might add.
Each person is responsible for his own actions. This kid was a bad seed. He is responsible for his actions. No one else.
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