CCW Discrimination - Investigative Report

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMan View Post
    May Issue = Probably won't issue 99.9% of the time.
    In the right county, it's exactly the opposite.
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    AG gave detailed guidance on issue
    http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/587424.html

    In 1977, Attorney General Evelle J. Younger wrote a five-page opinion about concealed weapon permits for a Republican senator.

    Younger suggested that before issuing a permit to carry a concealed weapon, authorities should determine whether applicants' safety concerns could be alleviated by "alternative means of security, such as regular police activity, special police protection, or the hiring of a private escort or security service."

    If applicants want weapon permits merely to protect the delivery of money to a bank, the opinion states, the permit "could properly be restricted to such occasions."

    However, the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department was unaware of Younger's opinion, according to Sheriff John McGinness.

    The department issued permits to applicants who claimed they carried large sums of cash to banks, The Bee review found, but rarely restricted the permits to when the money was actually being carried.

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    that has comedy written all over it

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    i've written cali off as a lost cause.
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    Not to argue with anyone on the "Shall Issue - May Issue" controversy, but Alabama is a May Issue state, and I would've never known it if I hadn't read it on a website similar to this one. What I mean is, it couldn't be more easy or inexpensive unless it was totally free and the state provided your carry gun for you! I've never known anyone who wasn't a felon to be turned down. $15 bucks, about 3 minutes, sign a couple of papers and head on down the road as a CWP holder here.

    Now, if'n I had my druthers, we would change the law just to set in stone the policy which is currently, for all intents and purposes, already in effect, but in our case, it would be merely a formality.

    I grew up in Kalifornia and lived there off and on until I was 37 years old. We left in '92 about a month after the Rodney King riots, and the night before we actually hit the road, a neighbor was shot and killed in a drive-by right outside our kitchen window. Hundreds of incidents over the years similar to that, and very close to home, piled up and finally made me realize that I was acquiescing my rights to that run amok cesspool, and supporting the very thieves who were stealing them with my rather substantial tax burden. It was one of the biggest reasons we left. Not the only reason, but right up there amongst the most important ones. I've never looked back.

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    Where is Minnesota? Left of Lennin!

    Nevertheless, it was the egregious discrimination by the "may issue" sheriffs and chiefs that fueled the groundswell to pass the "shall issue" law. Educate and organize the grasseaters into a grassroots movement that will not be denied this basic human right of self defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Not to argue with anyone on the "Shall Issue - May Issue" controversy, but Alabama is a May Issue state, and I would've never known it if I hadn't read it on a website similar to this one. What I mean is, it couldn't be more easy or inexpensive unless it was totally free and the state provided your carry gun for you! I've never known anyone who wasn't a felon to be turned down. $15 bucks, about 3 minutes, sign a couple of papers and head on down the road as a CWP holder here......
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    I read in the Alabama files that its MAY ISSUE, but many have said its mostly SHALL ISSUE or WILL ISSUE, same is said of Connecticut and Iowa.

    Good news .

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Not to argue with anyone on the "Shall Issue - May Issue" controversy, but Alabama is a May Issue state, and I would've never known it if I hadn't read it on a website similar to this one. What I mean is, it couldn't be more easy or inexpensive unless it was totally free and the state provided your carry gun for you! I've never known anyone who wasn't a felon to be turned down. $15 bucks, about 3 minutes, sign a couple of papers and head on down the road as a CWP holder here.

    Now, if'n I had my druthers, we would change the law just to set in stone the policy which is currently, for all intents and purposes, already in effect, but in our case, it would be merely a formality.

    I grew up in Kalifornia and lived there off and on until I was 37 years old. We left in '92 about a month after the Rodney King riots, and the night before we actually hit the road, a neighbor was shot and killed in a drive-by right outside our kitchen window. Hundreds of incidents over the years similar to that, and very close to home, piled up and finally made me realize that I was acquiescing my rights to that run amok cesspool, and supporting the very thieves who were stealing them with my rather substantial tax burden. It was one of the biggest reasons we left. Not the only reason, but right up there amongst the most important ones. I've never looked back.

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    Yep. I'm originally from Alabama and it's a piece of cake to get the permit there. And yearly renewal, of course, is the same.

    I have to say that I'm surprised it's a "may issue" state. Thanks for that info.
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    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pennpermit1.html


    APRIL 30--Here in New York City, it seems that every celebrity--from Howard Stern to Steven Tyler--has been granted a license to carry a concealed weapon. But in northern California, it's the rare Bay Area resident who qualifies to pack a gat. One guy who has passed muster is peacenik actor Sean Penn, who was granted a carry permit last year by the Ross Police Department. In his license application, Penn cited threats that have been directed at him, particularly from an ex-employee whom Penn feared was trying to locate him. The actor said that if the fired assistant found him, "a physical confrontation, possibly involving weapons, would almost surely ensue." As first disclosed by the San Francisco Chronicle, Penn's application acknowledged two arrests and the "recreational use of marijuana," though the 42-year-old performer added that he "has not used any narcotics in the past 20 years." After providing police with a fingerprint card, a series of passport-sized photos, and proof of his attendance at a firearms training class, Penn got the legal okay to pack two gats, a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson and a 9mm Glock (which Penn misspelled as "Glok" in his application). Earlier this month, Penn's car was stolen in Berkeley and when the vehicle was recovered, the two guns were missing. The local cops were kind enough to remind Penn that, though his pieces had been pinched, his license was specifically for the two weapons, so he could not legally arm himself with a substitute sidearm.
    Sean Penn has an Assault and Battery charge, yet he's "suitable" to get his CCW

    I'snt Californa just lovely ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibez View Post
    If you live outside the 10 major cities in Massachusetts, you are likely to get a CCW with no problem.





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    That's pretty much the case in the PRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Miller View Post
    That's pretty much the case in the PRC.
    Is this MAP a close representation of Cali issuance ?

    http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1...esstoutiu1.jpg

    Color code:
    GREEN = Shall/Will issue CCW
    Yellow = Sometimes issue
    RED = Wont Issue to the general public
    White = No data
    MAP UPDATED TO REFLECT PLUMAS COUNTY
    thanks to snakatack for data
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    Last edited by ibez; January 11th, 2008 at 09:45 PM. Reason: updated color chart-map, Plumas County, changed the large image to a link

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    With most any system, there will be loopholes and abuses. Most of the ideas that are created today have greed written all over them from the onset. Method-venue-opportunity. Morals? A thing of the past in today's society. Investigate the abuses, and you'll find the loopholes. Every once in a while I see hope for humanity---but only on TV and movies.

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    Here in Madera county in CA, I put down a list of reasons why I wanted to carry. The LEO/range safety officer read my reasons to carry, he looked at me and said - what the heck is this? Put down you want it for your personal safety! I did, and two weeks later I had my permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibez View Post
    Is this MAP a close representation of Cali issuance ?
    Color code:



    or does some colors need to be different ?

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    Color Plumas County green. 20,000 people, nearly 500 CCW. permits. One of the highest percentages in the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibez View Post
    * my first post giving Mass any credit for anything . LOL
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    What, you don't like the Springfield Armory Museum? I thought it was awesome.

    Not even the sweaty, overcrowded, overpriced Big E fair?

    CT isn't too bad, either. Every one I knew that was legal got their permit there. Some say CT is shall issue, but it really isn't. A person can be denied for character, reputation and a various number of other "at the whim" decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBS View Post
    Here in Madera county in CA, I put down a list of reasons why I wanted to carry. The LEO/range safety officer read my reasons to carry, he looked at me and said - what the heck is this ?
    Put down you want it for your personal safety! I did, and two weeks later I had my permit.
    please humor us

    what did YOU put down that the LEO rejected ?

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