We must win it all

[ibez]

Some people tell us " leave that ***** state and move here (shall issue states) where your rights are not infringed"

Then others say "I find it tragic that a few of portray your RKBA as so central to your life's values that you offer the advice to "Move to (shall issue state)." If you were really committed to the RKBA fight, wouldn't you move to Boston? Some of you demonstrate why gun owner rights are so easily trampled: all you do is make snide comments and take the easy way out. You should be ashamed of yourselves."


I find it idiotic to suggest to "stay and fight"
havent we already won about 40 states ? ( shall issues )

Alask and Vermont trades off for Wisconsin and Illinois

Wouldn't a PRO GUN person moving from a MAY ISSUE to a SHALL ISSUE make the SHALL ISSUE state Stronger and when election times comes, being a stronger voting force we secure our pro legislative body ?

like said, we already own 40 plus, MUST we win all ( plus Puerto Rico ) ?

Obviously the May Issue shows that the MAJORITY of people there are ANTIS by them voting in ANTIGUN Mayors and Legislators.

UNITED we Stand, DIVIDED we fall


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[DefensiveCarry.com]

[Thumper]

like said, we already own 40 plus, MUST we win all ( plus Puerto Rico ) ?

Hell yes!

And maybe we should all be moving to "Shall Issue States" and get them cleaned up too!

[DrLewall]

Can't we just kick out of the USA, the may issue states?

[joffe]

'Stay and fight' is pointless, the vast majority in many of those states are anti-gun socialists. States' rights are there for a reason: Those that want freedom get freedom, those that want totalitarian statist socialism and jackbooted police, get what they want.

Only places where 'stay and fight' might be a good idea would be states like Iowa, Nebraska, Georgia.. States with may-issue that may be swayed, or states with little preemption or many victim disarmament zones.

[ibez]

'Stay and fight' is pointless, the vast majority in many of those states are anti-gun socialists. States' rights are there for a reason: Those that want freedom get freedom, those that want totalitarian statist socialism and jackbooted police, get what they want.

Only places where 'stay and fight' might be a good idea would be states like Iowa, Nebraska, Georgia.. States with may-issue that may be swayed, or states with little preemption or many victim disarmament zones.

agreed.

I was just reading yesterday on another forum about a guy in my "great state of Massachusetts" that was denied a CCW, so he fought.
He did win, at a cost of losing his business, .., after 8 months he was issued the CCW, he "thought" it was "worth it"

not me

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[TN_Mike]

Maybe we should all just move to Texas since I predict that it is once again going to be its own country with in 10 years anyway. That is, if the Federal Government doesn't pull its collective head out on the issue of illegal immigration.

I've only visited Texas briefly a few times but I really like the mindset of the folks there and I could definitely see myself living there some day.

[SelfDefense]

I was just reading yesterday on another forum about a guy in my "great state of Massachusetts" that was denied a CCW, so he fought.

He did win, at a cost of losing his business, and had to mortage his house, after 8 months he was issued the CCW, he "thought" it was "worth it"

Can you elaborate or provide a link? I am interested n how applying for a CCW anywhere can cause someone to lose so much financially. Did he hire OJ's lawyers?

[DMan]

I propose a constitutional amendment. Have the socialistic states of USA, and the Free states of the USA. This way the socialistic politicians can stay and impose their rule on their subjects who don't wish to do or think for themselves and have the government dictate what and how they think, and then have the free states of the USA where its citizens continue to elect proper individuals to represent its citizens!

If this sounds outrageous then we must stand up and fight in ALL fronts. If we let something start to rot, the rot spreads. Things don't stay clean. Clean doesn't spread, but mold does.

[retsupt99]

Can you elaborate or provide a link? I am interested n how applying for a CCW anywhere can cause someone to lose so much financially. Did he hire OJ's lawyers?

It would have been cheaper to move...

[goawayfarm]

Yes! We must win them all!

Why should a person have LESS RIGHTS, because they live in a state that treats them like serfs? That is the real meaning of discrimination!

[Shizzlemah]

Ibez,
I see your point. It is noble to fight for the greater good. But in a utopia such as MA, the greater good is gun-free. I mean 99% of the people want it, so it must be for the greater good. (ok that's a little sarchastic- but serious too)
Being pro 2A in MA is a hard sell. The stark raving liberal contingent is huge and mindless. Also all out of stater College students vote in MA. The residents just don't like guns. Guns are simply evil. People are all good, and it is the presence of the objects that cause the people to misbehave.

I spent 20+ years in PRM. Worked in Mission Hill. Back in ~92, it took me 3 months to get an FID. Was a pistol instructor before the big gun law change.

In the fine commonwealth, the solution is clear. Lock up the guns, and free Willie Horton.

Odds are willy will stay in the "crime free" zones of MA, NYC, MD, DC. Willie must be law abiding without any guns around. And if somehow Willy errs and heads to PA or NH or TX.... Society done him some wrong, and the private citizen with a sidearm is the baddie. [baddie = hero in my eyes]



MA gun laws are truly ridiculous. I travel to MA occasionally to visit a client and have to change the mags in my Glock before I leave. I remove the 15 round Glock OEM magazines from my sidearm and belt. I replace them with another pair of MA-compliant Glock OEM 15 rounder mags. Since then, I've been told that my MA compliant mags were no longer MA compliant since now they had different base pads on them. Ugh......



As an expatriate MAroon, and american, I think we (America) shoud just cut our losses and close Massachusetts. Leave it to the canadian lynx , the piping plover, and the 200 superfund sites. Look at the model used in central MA. The towns of Enfield, Greenwich, Dana, Prescott have been peacful, crime free and gun free for 70+ years.

[Shizzlemah]

It would have been cheaper to move...

Ironically enough, in MA some towns are almost shall-issue, others are may-issue, and many are verbotten.

It is not unheard of to get a short term rental in a friendlier area....

[ibez]

Can you elaborate or provide a link? I am interested n how applying for a CCW anywhere can cause someone to lose so much financially. Did he hire OJ's lawyers?

LINK TO SOURCE
The person stated:

After 15 years of having my LTC, the 1998 gun laws made my CLEO question my right to be licensed, due to a misdemeanor conviction that would have made me a non eligible person according to his interpretation of the new laws.

It cost me plenty overall for Karen to win my case, but I'd say it was worth every penny of it. It took almost 8 months, and ran my business into the ground (Gun photography for several major manufacturers magazine ads and catalogs[ ....continued... ]

also :

I found great satisfaction in winning my case.

The judge ordered the chief to issue. I called the chief and asked him where was my license. He said, "Oh, just come up here and fill out a current application, and you'll be all set."

Something didn't sound right. I called my lawyer. She told me NOT to do what the chief said. Karen said if I did go and fill out another application, the Chief could then deny me as an unsatisfactory candidate. Since he refused for cause with the first application, I could win in court and get the judge to order the issuance of the license. But if I had submitted another form, he could, and would, deny me and have every right to do it.......

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[Supertac45]

Sounds great to me. Stay and fight.

[raevan]

Well if all the progun people in anti gun areas just had more children and raised them pro gun then you could sway the ballot boxes and change things.