Trespass and Inspectors...the Saga

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    Sometimes they announce themselves with a door knock or a bell ring. Other times it is just a public notice in the paper - sometimes I notice none of the above. But all are within their right for coming on the property. Same with meter readers. I don't know if I would want to anger the assessor - one might find a larger tax bill that would have to be appealed.

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    Maybe some clarification here...

    If they work for or contracted by the gov't (local, state, etc..)--they have authorities.

    The gov't itself does not have any rights.

    I don't think I would do anything different than the OP...as they do not have any right to be on my property, but they may have some authority to be there. As the property owner, if I didn't invite you (and I am not made aware of any prior notice), I'm sure as anything going to call someone (LEO, company) to verify who you claim to be. Then they will be escorted off my property.
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    The only thing that might have been better is that rather than greeting her with you hand on your holstered sidearm... greet them with the sound of your shotgun Pump. That gets their attention real quick and they get the point.
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    what are your thoughts?
    Your dad's property tax is going to go up.

    I'd like to know and have them prove her qualifications to access property value without fully inspecting a home, not going inside. That whole deal sounds fishy to me. What records and pictures is she comparing her findings too to say that changes were made and the value went up.

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    I agree with what most everyone said. While they may have authority to be there, it would seem prudent that notifying the occupants in some manner would save everyone a little hassle. They may have the right to be there (maybe) but it would seem they should be on public property. Even if they do have the authority to enter private property, there is NO excuse for the looking into windows. Are they going to base their tax assessment on what kind of carpet you have?

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    I would of[sic] taken her name, supervisor's name and called, via cell phone, her office to confirm:

    1) That she is who she is...

    2) Discuss with the Supervisor the property inspection policy

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    This is a good idea. One thought, though - get the name and Supervisor's name, and the company (if we're talking about the utility-worker scenarios and such). Then find the phone number out for yourself, and call that one. Don't take a phone number the person gives you - they could give you any phone number they want.
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    This all goes away if...

    the pooches that circle the house get wind of a visitor. I'm of the mind that ANYONE can inspect anything they want on my property...if they don't mind Titan, Angel and Baron inspecting them.

    Basically, if my dogs decide you're ok to be there, who am I to question? Further, if you're inspecting and not getting chased off the property, you obviously have something worked out with them, and I trust their judgement implicitly. Either you're harmless, friendly and a bit stupid for showing up unannounced, or you're simply not there.

    There is no way I would ever let this escallate to drawing my weapon, especially once it was clear that this person was performing her duties within the aforementioned guidelines. Sucks to have somebody snooping, but IMHO, snoop away! If you find something that justifies me paying more taxes, I'm ok with that. What a snooper won't find is a person breaking the law OR a victim waiting to be exploited. Either way, this one is a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrLewall View Post
    If she had been here looking into my windows, she would have seen one big burly man dancing naked to the macarana, riverdance style!


    I would have deffinately asked who she was and taken her name and supervisors name. I do not agree with her looking though my windows, and I do not beleive that that is part of her job and I would tell her that. It would deffinately be wise of them to ring the door bell or atleast knock and let me know that they are there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibez View Post
    would someone just shoot an unarmed person just for trespassing ?

    Tho not smart on the inspectors part, I dont think officials expect responsible homeowners to shoot unarmed "trespassers" in the middle of the day

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    Not many people would shoot someone for it , tho I'm sure it's happened. Why raise suspicion? It's just common courtesy if nothing else. People at the least might dial 911 especially if the snooper is a male. There may also be biting dogs loose that would other wise be put away if the person knocked on the door.

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    I live in FFX as well (Alexandria). I'll keep a eye out for "inspectors" and if I see one I'll call FCPD to verify they're supposed to be in the area. too easy these days to fake identification. Did she have a county vehicle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tennvol View Post
    I live in FFX as well (Alexandria). I'll keep a eye out for "inspectors" and if I see one I'll call FCPD to verify they're supposed to be in the area. too easy these days to fake identification. Did she have a county vehicle?
    Nada...she was on foot going from house to house with a pad and pen back in early fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Maybe some clarification here...

    If they work for or contracted by the gov't (local, state, etc..)--they have authorities.

    The gov't itself does not have any rights.

    I don't think I would do anything different than the OP...as they do not have any right to be on my property, but they may have some authority to be there. As the property owner, if I didn't invite you (and I am not made aware of any prior notice), I'm sure as anything going to call someone (LEO, company) to verify who you claim to be. Then they will be escorted off my property.
    Hmm, we get parents and their kids selling stuff all the time. Sometimes it is 17 & 18 year olds selling to raise money for a school trip or such. Sometimes it is grown ups inviting people to church - all without prior notice. I have as of yet called the police to have them escorted off. I think some are suffering from over paranoia syndrome.

    Authority with the need to be on the property gives them right to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyboyLDB View Post
    Hmm, we get parents and their kids selling stuff all the time. Sometimes it is 17 & 18 year olds selling to raise money for a school trip or such. Sometimes it is grown ups inviting people to church - all without prior notice. I have as of yet called the police to have them escorted off. I think some are suffering from over paranoia syndrome.
    And I will bet that pretty much all of them come up to the door and knock or ring the bell.

    The question is still what to do about unannounced people peeking in windows and, for all intents and purposes, casing your house. Have you memorized every form of gov't ID in your neck of the woods? I sure haven't. I have no idea how to tell if somebody is from the county assessment office or not.

    Flat out, this person is a trespasser until you can verify, to your own satisfaction, that he/she is authorized to be there. Reaction to this trespasser is entirely up to the responding homeowner, but I will note that packininnova did not confront with a drawn weapon. He was simply prepared for the possibility that the trespasser was somebody other than an idiotic civil servant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    And I will bet that pretty much all of them come up to the door and knock or ring the bell.

    The question is still what to do about unannounced people peeking in windows and, for all intents and purposes, casing your house. Have you memorized every form of gov't ID in your neck of the woods? I sure haven't. I have no idea how to tell if somebody is from the county assessment office or not.

    Flat out, this person is a trespasser until you can verify, to your own satisfaction, that he/she is authorized to be there. Reaction to this trespasser is entirely up to the responding homeowner, but I will note that packininnova did not confront with a drawn weapon. He was simply prepared for the possibility that the trespasser was somebody other than an idiotic civil servant.
    I'll comment on that...I've seen enough to know that stuff happens WAY too fast for you to be able to catch up if someone is planning something. I didn't draw, I just had my carry side turned away and had my thumb already clearing the shirt tail out of the way, just in case. I don't play anymore.
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    The inspector had a badge. Did she have photo ID?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibez View Post
    would someone just shoot an unarmed person just for trespassing ?

    Tho not smart on the inspectors part, I dont think officials expect responsible homeowners to shoot unarmed "trespassers" in the middle of the day

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    Shooting unarmed people in the middle of the day?

    Good thing Joe Horn wasn't the neighbor...
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