This is a discussion on I was told I was trespassing within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'll second that, Austin - word for word. Also, I would not consider NC an open carry state. The appropriate explanation has already been posted....
I'll second that, Austin - word for word.
Also, I would not consider NC an open carry state. The appropriate explanation has already been posted.
Give us an update! Talk to the cops yet?
You are correct, the OP made a mistake and exposed his weapon. However NC Is a open carry state, no matter what you think it is legal here. before you get to high up on your pedestal how do you know you have never done the samething? Maybe you have and somebody saw your weapon but they didn't over react and you never knew. As far as I know I have never been made, at least I have never been called on it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. The actions of this place of business were out of line for the situation at hand. I myself doubt they even called the cops, but banning him from the store is WRONG!! The place was not posted and he didn't cause any problems while in the store. I believe the OP should post the mailing address of the store and everyone on this forum, especially NC residents should write a letter defending this member.
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Count to ten, take a deep breath, say "woo-sah" and then re-read my post.
Sorry for your misfortune. I would contact the local police department and get a copy of the report. I would also insist you be allowed to tell your side of the story to the officer that took the report. You need to know if your up against something. You don't know what this woman accused you of. I would then contact the ATT cooperate office, after learning the names of the individuals who accused you of being a threat. and under no uncertain terms, I would demand the contract be broken and a letter of apology. I doubt you get the letter but it would be interesting to see the response. You were with in the law. The weapon flash was unintentional. They should post if they don't want people to carry in the store. If they want us to abide by there wishes, they must make them known before the fact, not after. Beside, if you cant enter the store, how can you conduct business.
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I would do business with siomebody else; and i would make real sure that they understood why I was doing it......
FYI I did the same thing when I dumped Sprint a few years back and didn't have to pay...
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry
If there wasn't a sign up , then I would not care if someone might of got a glance at my gun . It is legal , Aus you act like it is illegal . If I felt like that I would keep my gun at home.
I think I'd talk to an attorney and have him/her get the facts from the police and then talk to the store. Not with the intention of suing, but police and retail establishments tend to take contact by an attoney a bit more seriously.
Also, I wonder if the police were ever actually called. Since the OP was never contacted by the police they may be totally in the dark.
As a former Missouri LEO, I would have found out if the store wanted a tresspass warning issued, had the manager sign it, contacted the individual involved, given him the signed tresspass form and gotten his side. I would have advise him he may want to talk with an attorney regarding the complaint.
Since the OP has never been served, there probably not a valid tresspass complaint on file. But let your attorney handle it. One visit from your attorney and I suspect the store will not be able to apologize fast enough.
I would put money on the following scenario, or something very similar:
The manager or someone from the store probably did call the police, and an officer probably did respond to the store. The officer probably thought this was a waste of time. The manager was probably demanding that the officer do something, so the officer said that the most that could be done was to have the OP trespassed from the store. The manager would have wanted to do that very badly, because people tend to have a very strong desire to get some sort of tangible result when they call the police. The police officer probably didn't even file a report because it is such a minor incident and he or she certainly has better things to do, but may have filed some kind of informational report to satisfy the store manager. The OP would not have to be "served" any (paper) trespass notice for it to be effective. The next time he went to the store he was notified that he was trespassed and asked to leave. That's the actual trespass notice. (Notice that the police would not have to get involved for this to occur.)
The only way that the OP can get in trouble (over this, anyway ) is if he goes to the store, the store calls the police, and the OP refuses to leave. That's it.
A little diplomacy right up front probably would have saved a few people some blood pressure medication, though.
This was good advice, assuming a little diplomacy:
The manager can say anything s/he wants about your tresspassing! Go elsewhere and stop scareing people with your great big gun!!
Simply tell this neophyte, Yes and I'm legally licensed by the state to have it. If asked if you are a LEO, answer none of your business.
"Politicians and Bureaucrats, depend very much on the complicity of their victims, and like criminals, are flummoxed when we don't play the victim role."
Ok, here's my advice----First find out if a police report of ANY kind was made, if it was, and your name is in the report, have they made a violation of your right to privacy by giving out your name and info. It is obvious you had not broken any laws, so why could they give out the information?
This may be a different angle to approach this and suggest a lawsuit may be forthcoming.
A side note, and I know you don't want to hear it but here goes----With your attire it makes people "uncomfortable" Camo dress seems to be the choice of shooters, and unfortunately they stereotype you, then they see your gun and think HOLY CRAP A SHOOTER
Best to ya. Z
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