This is a discussion on Common sense within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I respect my boss. I'd say we even have a personal relationship to the extent where I go to his house for Easter dinner, he ...
January 17th, 2008 05:37 PM
January 17th, 2008 05:42 PM
It would be a big hassle to have to take off and put on your gun all the time - wearing it all the time makes your life easier. Its more comfortable when you're more used to it, and no one will notice a difference...like your boss for instance.
January 17th, 2008 08:42 PM
I would just tell him that we agree to disagree on this issue. As recent events show, bad stuff happens in lots of places that "shouldn't" have guns. Better to have and not need than need and not have. IMHO
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January 17th, 2008 09:06 PM
Just plan your encounters with BGs when you have your gun. If a BG approaches you when you don't have your gun, just tell him to come back at a later time when you can be of better service to him.
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January 17th, 2008 09:13 PM
Colorado Church shootings
Nebraska mall shooting
You can bring up all sorts of events to make your point.
Walk away if the discussion becomes heated.
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January 17th, 2008 09:21 PM
It might be that you and your boss aren't that far apart. After all, "He still firmly believes though that it's "common sense" to not carry in places that "shouldn't have guns". That might open up the argument that it is common sense to carry in places that people might have guns. To me, that is just about everywhere but the nude beaches.
The good news seems to be that he doesn't seem to be "against" all guns -- just against where they are "not needed". Try to build on that. After all, he must not feel so strongly that he has asked/demanded that you not carry. You probably have a good chance to set aside his "common sense" objections. After all, it is common sense (convoluted as it may seem) that nobody would ever be shot if nobody owned a gun. The trick is to get down to the "real world" -- "they" have them so we need them.
January 17th, 2008 09:28 PM
Sense isn't as common as it once was.
There are incidents, galore, of folks being robbed going to or coming from any number of types of businesses, from the place they work, restaurants, the mall, or the local Stop-n-Rob.
There are home invasions. There are muggings. There are attacks on the street, when folks exit their vehicles to start beating on other folks. There are car jackings.
I have yet to see statistics that show that any given place is so much less risky than any other. Statistically, there will be variation, sure. But, there is nothing to say that a given sort of business is so safe as to warrant no concern.
The fact of the matter is: many criminals who execute person crimes are opportunists. When the opportunity presents itself ... boom.
The day criminals publish the union calendar is the day I'll feel somewhat safer. By that I mean, I'll only double-check that I am carrying two spare magazines, on the off-chance there might be trouble during the day.
So, the question becomes: what is it about XYZ locale that gets him so misty-eyed about how safe it is, as opposed to another type of place? He should be specific, if bandying about claims of safety. Justify it. Back it up. Compel by virtue of the strength of the argument and facts (!) that support it.
My guess is that he cannot.
January 17th, 2008 09:30 PM
It would seem apparent that he knows where bad things are going to happen, so ask him were the next mass-murder will happen. If he's right you will follow his guide-lines, if he's wrong he will follow yours. Seems it would be a fair bet.
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January 17th, 2008 09:35 PM
"Hello, Mr. Unprepared? Yes, this is the personal assistant for Thugs and Associates. I'm calling to schedule your armed mugging... What date and time is good for you?"
Nope, it just doesn't happen that way....
If the debate between you and your boss get to the point where you think it may create a rift in your friendship, I'd jsut drop the issue. Unfortunately, some people only learn the hard way.
January 17th, 2008 09:43 PM
Hm. Didn't catch that part.
Originally Posted by PatP
OP: You might simply eliminate all the rhetoric and just ask a basic question, such as ... "What is it about House #1 that's so much safer than House #2? Or, what is it that's so much safer about Wal-Mart, versus Moe's Diner? Or, your street versus the one behind you?"
January 17th, 2008 09:50 PM
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Example mythical question comin up ... just suppose deal .......
Ask him to book auto insurance for 100 days this year - then ask him which days he will choose to use that cover when driving???
Are his precognitive powers above average? Seems like he thinks so!
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January 17th, 2008 09:57 PM
My first thought at reading the title of this thread was
Common Sense is Very Uncommon
After reading your bosses reaction I'd say he is common
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January 17th, 2008 11:33 PM
I havve been saying it for years, more than 40.
Common Sense...The Rarest Of All Senses
Common Sense, the rarest of all senses
January 18th, 2008 12:56 AM
Your boss is a sheep. And a slow witted one at that.
He may very well be a nice guy but dumb people with no common sense are often nice. That's because they think almost everyone they meet in a day are nice too so they are nice right back.
I on the other hand think every one is a scum bag until they show me otherwise.
This brings up a good point. A friend of mine and I were talking the other day and he mentioned how most folks, when they meet someone new will generally like that person until they are given a reason not to like them.
I told him I was the exact opposite of that. Generally speaking, when I meet someone new I do not like them at all. In fact, I usually think almost everyone I meet is either a bad guy or a jackass. Or both. Only when or if that person gives me several reasons to like them do I change my opinion of them. I am sometimes pleasantly surprised when someone proves to be a nice person and I change my original opinion of them. I am never disappointed though.
January 18th, 2008 07:31 AM
As with most issues, some folks will never get it.
I carry for the same reasons as most, but in my case, I am old enough and disabled enough to know that running away from a situation is not a likely alternative. And I am tempermentally disinclined to willing victimhood. Then there's the minimum 30 minute response time here to a 911 call ...
But one should disagree with one's boss rarely, yes?
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