Hold on to your hats.
I am going to lay out a case here and at the bottom I am going to copy and paste all the references from the appropriate laws...
As to what you may ask?
To the fact that there NEVER WAS a prohibition on Concealed Carry in "places that serve alcohol for consumption on the premises" for Concealed Permit Holders.
It was simply an "additional offense" clause to charge when concealed carry was done with unlawful intent.
You can go to the list of Prohibited places for CWP's and you will not find it there. It never was. However, SLED did for a while teach it and list it as such. But it no longer is even mentioned... thats because it was WRONG.
It was taught that it was a prohibition to CWP's and it was intended for us to believe it was the case. But you're going to see (if you carefully follow through all this) that, in fact, a concealed weapons permit is the "Exception" to that.
And all the other laws are for criminal activity.
Now, what are you going to do with this? You're going to do what you wish and I am not going to go to court with you.
You're on your own how you interpret this.
And please don't drink and carry.
But this might get you into Appleby's... and if you're not convinced then DON'T carry. Your choice. Not mine.
I am not a lawyer nor am I going to take liability for your decisions.
I was told this all indirectly that this was the case by LEO's that will go unmentioned. They are training other LEO's though and they are telling them this.... and I didn't believe it when I heard it.... But I do now....
Here is your reading assignment.
You have to follow each reference carefully to the next.
Each one is posted after then next so carefully scan for the pertinent reference to this subject in each Chapter, Article and Title.
I will pull out the law that lead us to believe it.
And you will see that if your charged with an offense dealing with a Concealed Weapon you will then lose you CWP.
But... as a result of criminal activity or intent, not for simply carrying.
Starts here (these are the exact titles of the laws):
OFFENSES INVOLVING WEAPONS
ARTICLE 1.
HANDGUNS
SECTION 16-23-465. Additional penalty for unlawfully carrying pistol or firearm onto premises of business selling alcoholic liquors, beers or wines for on-premises consumption.
In addition to the penalties provided for by Sections 16-11-330 and 16-23-460 and by Article 1 of Chapter 23 of Title 16, a person convicted of carrying a pistol or firearm into a business which sells alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine for consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
In addition to the penalties described above, a person who violates this section while carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, must have his concealed weapon permit revoked.
Sections 16-11-330 and 16-23-460 and by Article 1 of Chapter 23 of Title 16
SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; exceptions.
It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law:
(1) regular, salaried law enforcement officers, and reserve police officers of a state agency, municipality, or county of the State, uncompensated Governor's constables, law enforcement officers of the federal government or other states when they are carrying out official duties while in this State, deputy enforcement officers of the Natural Resources Enforcement Division of the Department of Natural Resources, and retired commissioned law enforcement officers employed as private detectives or private investigators;
(2) members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Guard, organized reserves, or the State Militia when on duty;
(3) members, or their invited guests, of organizations authorized by law to purchase or receive firearms from the United States or this State or regularly enrolled members, or their invited guests, of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting or collecting modern and antique firearms while these members, or their invited guests, are at or going to or from their places of target practice or their shows and exhibits;
(4) licensed hunters or fishermen who are engaged in hunting or fishing or going to or from their places of hunting or fishing while in a vehicle or on foot;
(5) a person regularly engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, repossessing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of this person, while possessing, using, or carrying a handgun in the usual or ordinary course of the business;
(6) guards authorized by law to possess handguns and engaged in protection of property of the United States or any agency of the United States;
(7) members of authorized military or civil organizations while parading or when going to and from the places of meeting of their respective organizations;
(8) a person in his home or upon his real property or a person who has the permission of the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of the home or real property;
(9) a person in a vehicle if the handgun is:
(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver's license, registration, or proof of insurance; or
(b) concealed on or about his person, and he has a valid concealed weapons permit pursuant to the provisions of Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23;
(10) a person carrying a handgun unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or fixed place of business or while in the process of changing or moving one's residence or changing or moving one's fixed place of business;
(11) a prison guard while engaged in his official duties;
(12) a person who is granted a permit under provision of law by the State Law Enforcement Division to carry a handgun about his person, under conditions set forth in the permit, and while transferring the handgun between the permittee's person and a location specified in item (9);
(13) the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of a fixed place of business, while at the fixed place of business, and the employee of a fixed place of business, other than a business subject to Section 16-23-465, while at the place of business; however, the employee may exercise this privilege only after: (a) acquiring a permit pursuant to item (12), and (b) obtaining the permission of the owner or person in legal control or legal possession of the premises;
Links:
S.C. Code of Laws Title 23 Chapter 31 Firearms - www.scstatehouse.net-LPITS
S.C. Code of Laws Title 16 Chapter 23 Offenses Involving Weapons - www.scstatehouse.net-LPITS
South Carolina Legislature Online - South Carolina Code of Laws
I am going to lay out a case here and at the bottom I am going to copy and paste all the references from the appropriate laws...
As to what you may ask?
To the fact that there NEVER WAS a prohibition on Concealed Carry in "places that serve alcohol for consumption on the premises" for Concealed Permit Holders.
It was simply an "additional offense" clause to charge when concealed carry was done with unlawful intent.
You can go to the list of Prohibited places for CWP's and you will not find it there. It never was. However, SLED did for a while teach it and list it as such. But it no longer is even mentioned... thats because it was WRONG.
It was taught that it was a prohibition to CWP's and it was intended for us to believe it was the case. But you're going to see (if you carefully follow through all this) that, in fact, a concealed weapons permit is the "Exception" to that.
And all the other laws are for criminal activity.
Now, what are you going to do with this? You're going to do what you wish and I am not going to go to court with you.
You're on your own how you interpret this.
And please don't drink and carry.
But this might get you into Appleby's... and if you're not convinced then DON'T carry. Your choice. Not mine.
I am not a lawyer nor am I going to take liability for your decisions.
I was told this all indirectly that this was the case by LEO's that will go unmentioned. They are training other LEO's though and they are telling them this.... and I didn't believe it when I heard it.... But I do now....
Here is your reading assignment.
You have to follow each reference carefully to the next.
Each one is posted after then next so carefully scan for the pertinent reference to this subject in each Chapter, Article and Title.
I will pull out the law that lead us to believe it.
And you will see that if your charged with an offense dealing with a Concealed Weapon you will then lose you CWP.
But... as a result of criminal activity or intent, not for simply carrying.
Starts here (these are the exact titles of the laws):
OFFENSES INVOLVING WEAPONS
ARTICLE 1.
HANDGUNS
SECTION 16-23-465. Additional penalty for unlawfully carrying pistol or firearm onto premises of business selling alcoholic liquors, beers or wines for on-premises consumption.
In addition to the penalties provided for by Sections 16-11-330 and 16-23-460 and by Article 1 of Chapter 23 of Title 16, a person convicted of carrying a pistol or firearm into a business which sells alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine for consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
In addition to the penalties described above, a person who violates this section while carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, must have his concealed weapon permit revoked.
Sections 16-11-330 and 16-23-460 and by Article 1 of Chapter 23 of Title 16
SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; exceptions.
It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law:
(1) regular, salaried law enforcement officers, and reserve police officers of a state agency, municipality, or county of the State, uncompensated Governor's constables, law enforcement officers of the federal government or other states when they are carrying out official duties while in this State, deputy enforcement officers of the Natural Resources Enforcement Division of the Department of Natural Resources, and retired commissioned law enforcement officers employed as private detectives or private investigators;
(2) members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Guard, organized reserves, or the State Militia when on duty;
(3) members, or their invited guests, of organizations authorized by law to purchase or receive firearms from the United States or this State or regularly enrolled members, or their invited guests, of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting or collecting modern and antique firearms while these members, or their invited guests, are at or going to or from their places of target practice or their shows and exhibits;
(4) licensed hunters or fishermen who are engaged in hunting or fishing or going to or from their places of hunting or fishing while in a vehicle or on foot;
(5) a person regularly engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, repossessing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of this person, while possessing, using, or carrying a handgun in the usual or ordinary course of the business;
(6) guards authorized by law to possess handguns and engaged in protection of property of the United States or any agency of the United States;
(7) members of authorized military or civil organizations while parading or when going to and from the places of meeting of their respective organizations;
(8) a person in his home or upon his real property or a person who has the permission of the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of the home or real property;
(9) a person in a vehicle if the handgun is:
(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver's license, registration, or proof of insurance; or
(b) concealed on or about his person, and he has a valid concealed weapons permit pursuant to the provisions of Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23;
(10) a person carrying a handgun unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or fixed place of business or while in the process of changing or moving one's residence or changing or moving one's fixed place of business;
(11) a prison guard while engaged in his official duties;
(12) a person who is granted a permit under provision of law by the State Law Enforcement Division to carry a handgun about his person, under conditions set forth in the permit, and while transferring the handgun between the permittee's person and a location specified in item (9);
(13) the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of a fixed place of business, while at the fixed place of business, and the employee of a fixed place of business, other than a business subject to Section 16-23-465, while at the place of business; however, the employee may exercise this privilege only after: (a) acquiring a permit pursuant to item (12), and (b) obtaining the permission of the owner or person in legal control or legal possession of the premises;
Links:
S.C. Code of Laws Title 23 Chapter 31 Firearms - www.scstatehouse.net-LPITS
S.C. Code of Laws Title 16 Chapter 23 Offenses Involving Weapons - www.scstatehouse.net-LPITS
South Carolina Legislature Online - South Carolina Code of Laws