The elusive and mystical "New York City" Concealed Pistol Permit...

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    The elusive and mystical "New York City" Concealed Pistol Permit...

    A November 2006 story in the New York Post reported the following:
    "...The Post reported in March that among those with permits to carry concealed weapons in the city are cosmetics heir Ronald Lauder, Donald Trump and Seagrams scion Edgar Bronfman Sr.

    Also allowed to pack heat are actors Robert De Niro and Harvey Keitel; radio personalities Howard Stern and Don Imus; and state Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, who doesn't live in the city, but has an office here.

    The Post also re ported in March that the number of pistol permits in the city has declined, dropping to 38,544 this year, from 41,173 in 2003.

    Last year, 81 percent of those who applied were granted a permit to carry a concealed gun."
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    For many years I lived and worked in New York City (Manhattan, to be more specific). I was one of the fortunate "priviledged" (yes, I recognize that) who was able to carry a handgun because I was a LEO. I recognized that it was impossible for the average citizen to get a concealed carry permit in NYC. Power, money, and serious connections were needed. It was considered common knowledge that Don Imus and Howard Stern had permits. But, I actually personally knew an attorney who had a permit and carried a Kimber on a daily basis. For those of you familiar with Manhattan, he lived in the Murray Hill/Sutton Place neighborhood, which should come as no shock. To say he had money would be an understatement.

    So, do any of you New Yorkers actually personally know somebody who has a concealed carry permit (excluding retired cops)? And, if so, how did they get it? special circumstances? Political connections? Money? Both? If you look at the records, you can see they exist (in small numbers). So who has them?
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    I do not know one personally but my mom has dealt personally with Ron Lauder... Not the sharpest crayon in the box. He is basically given money to blow as he sees fit and stays away from the family business (Estee Lauder - Makeup). He is (was, I believe there is a divorce going on) a big Republican contributor and has hosted individuals like Colin Powell while he was Sec of State.

    In his case it was clearly political and cash.

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    I had one the last 2 years I lived there.
    I was CFO of a Major Law Firm.
    Partners with names like Ambassador and Former Attorney General.

    When I was on Wall Street I couldn't score one to save my life.

    Got stopped once on the street. Cop freaked out that I had a CCW. Also figured out he better just let me go.

    Then I moved,
    Thank God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirForceShooter View Post
    I had one the last 2 years I lived there.
    I was CFO of a Major Law Firm.
    Partners with names like Ambassador and Former Attorney General.

    Hmmmm...you didn't happen to know an Attorney (former gov't employee) who carried a Kimber, did you? LOL! Did you shoot at Westside?
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    I live on the Upper West Side of Manhattan at the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo View Post
    the number of pistol permits in the city has declined, dropping to 38,544 this year, from 41,173 in 2003.

    Last year, 81 percent of those who applied were granted a permit to carry a concealed gun
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    To quickly clarify for those without knowledge of NYC, the 38,000 figure quoted above are not the number of concealed pistol permits: it includes all permits to legally even own a handgun: home pistol permits, business permits, limited carry, armed guard permits, and even retired LEO permits. Applying for one costs about $450 and takes many months.

    NYPD - Permits

    I think outside LEO, the number of true concealed handgun licenses is in the hundreds? I don't personally know any of them. NYC Population is 8 million (in 1993 the city estimated there were 2 million illegal guns).

    Here is the most recent data I have seen with the breakdown:
    NYPD CCW articles from NEWSDAY 9/30/02

    Handgun Permits

    The Numbers For 2002

    TOTAL HANDGUN LICENSES
    Applications: 2,651
    Issued: 2,117

    RESIDENCE
    Applications: 784
    Issued: 566

    CARRY FOR BUSINESS - on your business property only
    Unrestricted Applications: 220
    Issued: 68

    LIMITED CARRY Restricted by hour and day
    Applications: 28
    Issued: 16

    CARRY GUARD Armed security guard
    Applications: 454
    Issued: 398

    SPECIAL ENDORSEMENT Validation of concealed-carry license form elsewhere
    Applications: 52
    Issued: Down 23

    RETIRED OFFICERS
    Applications: 1,113
    Issued: 1,046
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    The Peoples Republic of Maryland is the same way. Basically, the only people that are issued CCP's are the people with security details that don't need them anyway, then go to work at the State Senate and vote for tighter gun control.

    One set of rules for them, one set for everyone else.
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    I recently downloaded the NYC form. I am at present trying to doublespeak answers to their questions. Carry for 'Personal Protection' is not a valid reason in the Republic of Bloomberg. I'm going to try and apply for a Special attachment to my state license and then will probably have to take them to court. Hopefully I'll win the Lotto so I can pay for it all.
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    hudsonvalley, keep us posted. I've thought of trying before but haven't felt like wasting my money just yet.

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    I'd bet everything I own on the fact that Bloomburg has a permit too.

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    I found out lawyers love BBQ guns.
    If it was expensive they had it.
    I shot a westside once. Didn't like it one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo View Post
    Hmmmm...you didn't happen to know an Attorney (former gov't employee) who carried a Kimber, did you? LOL! Did you shoot at Westside?
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    There you have it; The good old double standard once again.....
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    I know a guy down here in FL that used to live in NYC AND had a carry permit. I'll ask him what he used to do but as I remember it was something connected with the city government (not an LEO).

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    Always the case of who you know and not what you know.

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    The application fee is $340.00. The fingerprint fee is $94.25 for Livescan prints. (If your fingerprints must be done manually using ink, the fee is $105.25.)


    sorry but i'll stick with my $10 application fee and 10 day waiting period(plus no other charges for finger printing)


    (be so much easier and cheaper if they'd just allow OC like here in N.H.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by berettaguy View Post


    sorry but i'll stick with my $10 application fee and 10 day waiting period(plus no other charges for finger printing)


    (be so much easier and cheaper if they'd just allow OC like here in N.H.)

    +1 $10 for a 5 year permit and no other fees. You also typically get it within 10 buisness days. No ********
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