This is a discussion on What would knock a BG out? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I believe two things are certain. 1. There are no gaurantees 2. Bigger is ALWAYS better......
I believe two things are certain.
1. There are no gaurantees
2. Bigger is ALWAYS better...
"If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men." Romans 12:18
...if not...be prepared to meet Mr.10mm, .45, .40 or any one of their little brothers.
In my humble opinion the only handgun caliber worthy of serious consideration is the .45. But as said a million times: “The best is what you have available”.
I would personal keep shooting until the threat is eliminated, despite the caliber.
About the nervous system trauma stuff. I work for the DoD in the medical field. One patient I recently saw had a hand grenade blowup in his face. The shrapnel tore through his eye socket and turned his brain into Swiss Cheese. He stayed on his feet long enough to kill multiple enemy combatants. And even though he has some problems still to this day, he can function in daily life, take care of himself, and hold down a job, all with chunks of steel still lodged in his melon!
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Why would you let yourself get into a situation where you were trapped into a confined space..always leave yourself an out. Then you dont have to worry about carrying an icbm with ya.
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THIS IS MY OPINION.......Almost every defensive shooting course or class try to teach you to move and shoot or changing position then shoot . So if someone had a gun pointed at my head or direction , I would try to change position out of the line of fire then shoot . Another scenario is to move as you push the gun then fire .....it my save your life more than just standing there and try to draw and fire ???? If I had only 1 shot it would be .45acp .
one shot stops with handguns are anomalies. As others have said, it's not going to happen unless you hit the brain-stem.
in the scenario in the OP (gun held to your head), you're going to have to do something to get his gun off line before you even try to go for your own.
"Being a predator isn't always comfortable but the only other option is to be prey. That is not an acceptable option." ~Phil Messina
If you carry in Condition 3, you have two empty chambers. One in the weapon...the other between your ears.
If there is a gun to your head, its too late to be thinking about shooting unless you have some sort of deal worked out with this "BG" where you are allowed one shot to try to save yourself and he promised not to do anything until you had fired. Even in that situation I would not risk standing still and trying to shoot - say I could place my .500 S&W Magnum to the back of his head - I still wouldn't want to do it if he had a gun to my head.
I would, however, not hesitate to fight back. I have seen it demonstrated - I hope I never have to be the demonstrator - but it can be done. Push the gun one way, and move your body the opposite way. Do it quickly. People's reaction time is way behind the power curve in situations like this - use it to your advantage.....or just climb into the trunk like a good boy and hope for the best.
This is quite the far-fetched scenario, and I'm of the same opinion as most here who implied that caliber/one shot stop/etc... is not the be all end all solution for anything. Its just a tool. $0.02 JMO
.45 ACP, 10mm or .357mag in common handgun rounds. Even at that none of these are a guarantee.
.50bmg or 40mm buckshot tends to leave a hole big enough to make them think twice about continueing. but realisticly nothing i own (rather than use for work) realy would work with the defined paramiters. as has already been stated there are instances of people takeing greivouse wounds that should kill them and yet continueing to fight. for more information on this look up congressional medal of honor winners.
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Every well-bred petty crook knows: the small concealable weapons always go to the far left of the place setting.
Someone else mentioned the Taurus Judge. I don't own one but I would say two rounds of .410 to the face should stop just about anybody. Trouble is how do you hit the face if they are moving. The best answar is probably couple rounds of .45 to center mass followed by more if necessary.
The .41mag is the best defensive round ever developed, but the pansies of the day when it was developed couldnt handle it, the recoil was to much but a .41mag loaded with a 210gr LSWCHP is one hell of a fight stopper period. even better then the 158gr LSWCHP for the .357.
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