4-year-old federal gun law is facing a test in Orange County Court

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    4-year-old federal gun law is facing a test in Orange County Court

    Judge to rule in concealed weapon case - RecordOnline.com - The Times Herald Record

    Interesting story.....(NEW YORK) Petty officer gets pulled over, has an unlicensed gun with him. Is he considered police under federal law?
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    Sounds like this guy is already heading down the path to DHD.
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    sorta already being discussed here:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...t-guard-3.html

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    I wouldn't want to bet my life on that defense. Pretty weak, me thinks. When I was authorized to carry concealed government weapons as a plainclothes Army guy, I had a little card, signed by the Provost Marshal which stated "Mainspring, who's photograph, description, and signature appear heron, is authorized to carry concealed government weapons, on or off installations, in uniform or civilian clothing."...or words to that effect.

    Based on that defense, a large percentage of officers and NCOs in the military, and a bunch of E-4 and below types, would be able to use the same defense. I don't see the powers that be letting that happen any time soon.
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    I think he is in trouble on both counts. The gun issue may be perceived negatively because his license was suspended and he was dumb enough to be speeding in a car that he never should have been driving.

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    I think two things will happen eventually, one the DHS will have to admit that the Coast Guard is considered Federal LE. Two, that the gun charge will ultimately get thrown out, but only on appeal. This guy can kiss his Coast Guard career good buy me thinks.

    I don't have a crystal ball and I'm not a lawyer, but I wanted to play one on TV once . On the other thread I mistakenly said the Coasties were a part of the military, and once they were. Now I'm just a confused muddled fart who hopes to see retirement and getting more retarded everyday.

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    this guy couldn't be a worse case to test this on. he was driving on a suspended license. had a warrant out for his arrest. and was in possession of a firearm when his warrant was for assault. i'm pretty sure he's up a creek.
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    There you go Brady Bunch, time to take away the guns from the military, unless they are out of country.
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    i still think an MP would have a stronger case under that law as they do technicaly enforce the law. but if that ever happens im reclassing right away. just so my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed aside from when im on post(and then less often than not)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobcat35 View Post
    i still think an MP would have a stronger case under that law as they do technicaly enforce the law.
    When on duty, yes; off duty the gun goes in the armory.

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    When did the Coast Guard stop being one of our Armed Forces?
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    And that's the crux of the matter. LEOs are LEOs, and military personnel are military personnel, with rare if any exeptions. The people with those exeptions know it and have documentation to abck it up. It isn't guess work.

    It isn't a job description thing so much of a job category thing.

    This guys almost certainly toast, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abuttermilk View Post
    When did the Coast Guard stop being one of our Armed Forces?
    The Coast Guard is part of our Armed Forces and is considered a Uniformed Military Service. It's just not part of the Department of Defense. It used to be under the Dept of Transportation, but as others have mentioned is now part of DHS.
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    Why not let everyone NOT a criminal, of legal age, a citizen and not insane, that wants to carry, carry? Any suggestions as to how to accomplish this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hudsonvalley View Post
    Why not let everyone NOT a criminal, of legal age, a citizen and not insane, that wants to carry, carry? Any suggestions as to how to accomplish this?
    Dig up the founding fathers and put them in office.
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