This is a discussion on Applied At An Armored Truck Company within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Worked part time as an armored truck driver for 9 months. The trucks are JUNK, not dependable at all. Pay was terrible, (I am retired ...
Worked part time as an armored truck driver for 9 months. The trucks are JUNK, not dependable at all. Pay was terrible, (I am retired so it did not matter much). Most armored car/truck robberies involve someone inside the vehicle being in on the heist. Do not completely trust your partner(s). If anyone does this, you have to be ALERT ALL THE TIME. Never let your guard down.
Good luck with the job. I used to work private response armed security in Los Angeles, we responded to home and business alarms. I knew a couple of armored car guards and from what they told me and from what I personally know, there was one thing that was common for both of our jobs and that was complacency. I always took great care in being aware of my surroundings and trying to be as ready as I could be. But there were many times when I assisted someone else on a alarm call and they displayed no kind of readiness or alertness at all. And from what my friends told me they saw they same thing at their work. I asked some of my fellow co-workers why they act they way they do. They answer I usually got was something like, oh, its probably a false alarm anyway. That makes no sense to me. Not only did their lack of tactics put themselves in danger, but also me. Sure, many of the alarm calls were false alarms, but that is not a reason for poor judgement. Another answer I got was that the police were en route, so if anything big happened the police would be close. Not true, most alarm calls are low priority for LAPD. I would say police showed up 1 out 20 times to an alarm call and most of the time it was when I checked the area/building and was about to clear. Besides, when you are in trouble you need to take care of yourself right there and then, not minutes later.
My armored car friends had similar stories of their coworkers lacking readiness and awareness. I don’t know what the company policy is, but if you can, as soon as you have to cash bag in your weak hand, you should have you pistol out. Most of the time, bad guys scope out armored trucks before they hit them and I’m sure its safe to say that they go after easy targets. Have pistol in hand, look around, be aware and communicate with your driver/messenger. Don’t let the bad guys think that you are an easy target. I have seen bad examples of armored car drivers, guys talking on cell phone, holding cash bag in their gun hand, talking to employees as they walk out, flirting with girls, walking straight to the truck without pausing before to scope the area out. Keep up your guard and be ready and practice with your firearm regularly.
Again, good luck.
wow. thanks for all the responses. I am greatly aware of the possibility of having a bumbling idiot for a partner. Training is a MUST!!!
should I invest in a vest?
I have worked for Loomis before, and I can tell you that yes, sometimes people do let their security down. They become used to a routine.. but the second something is out of place they take notice.. you have a partner, they are there for a reason. Don't trust them and you might as well just shoot yourself. The inside 'jobs' are not the majority of armored car robberies. Most are simply oppurtunity.
We had a route that pulled up to a check cashing place.. as the messenger was preparing to get out, cash in hand, his driver yelled for him to stay put as an armed robber ran out of the store... If it's going to be an inside job it's going to be simply information about the route.. not your route either.. It is just as simple for a driver to drive off while his messenger is inside. Which if the driver sees something that freaks him out.. he gets the hell out of there, takes off and warns his partner, either by turning on the siren or radio/nextel.
The training they go over during class and constantly reminded of while employeed is to be aware, make eye contact, gun hand free.. walk quickly, avoid distractions.. people are people.. they won't always be aware.
My partner and I, since we did ALOT of ATM work.. where your back is to the world had a simple code system.. I never parked away from him, unless the ATM was inside..then I was right at the door watching. We would switch up the way we did our route, different stops at different times, different streets to travel..
Your customers are also part of your 'security'.. they are very aware of what you do, and they certainly don't want bad things to happen to you at their store, so if something is weird they call.. We have had banks call if we were running behind due to weather (I hate the snow), customers call when they notice something weird..a car sitting there, someone asking about the 'armored guys', someone hanging around the door.
It's funny how many people think it's funny to make comments like 'give me the money' untill your gun is pointed right at them. We had to go through the same shooting drills as the local PD, our instructor infact works with LE on their shooting.. he makes sure we are able to defend ourselves if need be. He takes no BS on the range, and has taught ALOT of the guys I worked with how to shoot.. corrected them, gave pointers..
As far as carrying an AR, yeah that would be great but not practical. You want to have an 'armed presence' not make people panic walking into a McD's to get their liability. People always will look at the money bag or 'coal sack', and then their eyes instantly go to your weapon. Most people if they are even paying attention to where they are going will stop, or move around you to avoid the chance of being thought suspect. When someone gets too close, and your hand goes to your gun they take notice real fast. For an example.. it was raining pretty good one day, and I'm going into a gas station.. I'm looking inside through the windows and glance to my left before I enter the door on my right.. a guy is running from a car parked at the pumps to the front door of the store.. my driver sees this at the same time I did.. he hits the air horn, the guy running looks up and sees me turning with my hand going to my gun and stops dead in his tracks and his hands go up in the air.. after a few seconds I realize he is not a threat and proceed inside. When he comes in, and I'm in the little bullet resistant cashier stand he starts appologizing.. didn't see me there, would not have ran towards the door if he had, has a brother who worked in the 'armored' business for a while.. I did not leave the store, or out from behind the counter till he was in his car driving away.. In the same sense if someone has a gun pointed at me when I open the door at McD's they can have the money.. it's insured.. it's not mine.. take it.
The actual times there are armored car robberies and only an armored car, it has been really an involved plan. They watch for months.. you're basically casing a bank on wheels.. and it will never be the guys who follow their training that get hit.
Last edited by monky; February 12th, 2008 at 01:34 AM. Reason: I spull reel gud
alright... thanks ron!
Wow! $12.50/hr to put your life on the line.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" --Sigmund Freud
OK, Here are my thoughts;
First, congrats on taking a step foward. Yes, the pay is probably low and your not going to be able to buy your dream home or that shiny new Benz on your hourly rate...but you have to start somewhere.
Do a good job, but dont be a Tackleberry. Pay attention to what goes on around you, both on the street and in the office. There are good advancements to be made in that business, you just have to be a little smarter than the next guy. Get your CDL!
Armed guard/courier business attracts a lot of goofs, dont be one of them. Me and a group of guys have a side business that does high end courier/VP protection work, and we have a ton of complete meatheads that try to get on with us, of course we dont take them on but I have an idea of what filters down to the commercial work. Just stay a step or two ahead, it shouldnt be to hard.
Did I mention to pay attention to everything? Keep your mouth shut too.
"Just blame Sixto"
I reserve the right to make fun, point and laugh etc.
Yeah... its more than I currently make and will get me outta my parents house. And into a halfway decent appartment.
so be more like Cadet Larvelle Jones?
so what should I expect as far the pre-employment background?
they mentioned a MDOT physical, credit check, Criminal History check,
should i expect a polygraph?
by "goofs" you mean rambo's and ignorant folk itchin for a shootout?
I HOPE i can use my own personal weapon. NO WAY IN HECK am i using some old school 38. who knows the last time it was cleaned? I want to be able to use my g22 with 2 spare mags.
do companies have their employees backs if they have to shoot? or do they just drop them and the legal mess and hire someone else?