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    My company released its updated employee handbook so I thought I would check it out. The previous edition had a section about prohibited items at work. Listed of course was firearms. The new edition does NOT have firearms listed.

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    Perhaps someone up the food chain had an enlightening experience!
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    Well I sure as heck wouldn't ask if they left it out by mistake!!!!

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    Sounds to me like your company MAY now be taking the position, “don’t ask don’t tell”.

    So if you have to use your firearm and it turns out good, they will take the credit, and if you use your firearm and it turns out bad, it’s your fault, and they never told you to carry a gun.

    Just a little logic from my time served working for corporate America.

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    corporate America, military,......"don't ask, don't tell" is a good policy to follow
    "Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008

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    Don't ask about it.
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    This is exactly how my employee handbook reads: "No form of weapon (e.g., knives, guns, explosives or toxic substances) will be allowed on Company premises or at Company-sponsored functions. This includes concealed weapons for which a person may have a permit."

    I'm so jealous of you!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arisin Wind View Post
    My company released its updated employee handbook so I thought I would check it out. The previous edition had a section about prohibited items at work. Listed of course was firearms. The new edition does NOT have firearms listed.
    Are you willing to risk your job before clarifying it? Are your sure it's not contained in some catch-all phrase or word rather than "guns" or "firearms"?

    Just a thought, that's all.
    "Naked and Starving as They are We Cannot Enough Admire the Incomparable Patience and Fidelity of the Soldiery" – George Washington, Valley Forge, 1777.

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    That's good news!

    Now, "don't ask, don't tell"!
    ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!

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    I'm definitely not going to ask about it. I know the handbook went through extensive reviews including legal. This being Florida, perhaps one of the owners is now carrying. You never know.

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    I'd triple check all sections of your policy.

    I work at a University, therefore a Gun-Free Zone . Our policy falls under the section "Work Rules Policy". The purpose is "To assure safe, efficient and harmonious operations..." The "harmonious" gets me everytime.

    Section M is the last section of this harmonious policy and reads "Possession, while on University-owned or controlled property, or at University-sponsored or supervised activities, of any deadly weapon.".

    So I am left to use the Fists of Fury (or Furry Fists, I forget which) to defend myself. Of course, the Gun-Free Zone signs and the noxious aura of harmonious operations should be enough to ward off the evil BG's...
    The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'

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    Beware of "The General Article"

    When I was in the Air Force the UCMJ had (and I'm sure still has) the general article; I think it was Article 138. This one covered anything you did that someone didn't like and wanted to charge you for but they hadn't had enough imagination to specifcally prohibit earlier.

    Just one more way to have fun with the troops...
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    I downloaded the handbook and did word searches for "weapon", "gun", firearm" "fire arm" and came up with nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodstock View Post
    When I was in the Air Force the UCMJ had (and I'm sure still has) the general article; I think it was Article 138. This one covered anything you did that someone didn't like and wanted to charge you for but they hadn't had enough imagination to specifcally prohibit earlier.

    Just one more way to have fun with the troops...
    Florida is an "at will employment" state. Employees can be let go without reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodstock View Post
    When I was in the Air Force the UCMJ had (and I'm sure still has) the general article; I think it was Article 138. This one covered anything you did that someone didn't like and wanted to charge you for but they hadn't had enough imagination to specifcally prohibit earlier.

    Just one more way to have fun with the troops...
    If one recieves an article 15 the general article can be abused because you are in efect entering a plea of guilty. If you refuse to accept the article 15 and request a court martial the military courts have, from case law, a very specific definition of the general article. You can defend your self and speak. In an article 15 you remain silent.

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