They may be coming around!
This is a discussion on They may be coming around! within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- A House of Delegates panel has endorsed legislation that would allow people to carry concealed handguns in restaurants or clubs, but ...
February 18th, 2008 05:34 PM
They may be coming around!
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- A House of Delegates panel has endorsed legislation that would allow people to carry concealed handguns in restaurants or clubs, but would prohibit them from drinking alcohol on the premises.
The Militia and Police Committee voted 15-5 for the bill. Current law allows firearms in a restaurant or club only if they are visible. Under Senator Emmett Hanger's bill, those carrying concealed handguns would have to inform a restaurant employee that they're armed.
The committee also endorsed legislation allowing people who don't have a concealed carry permit to transport a handgun in the glove compartment of their car. Under current law, the gun must be visible.
This could the best thing to happen in a long time!!!!!
February 18th, 2008 05:34 PM
February 18th, 2008 05:41 PM
It is a step in the right direction, but not sure I like the idea of having to tell the employee that I am carrying. What happens when he runs to the boss who asks you to leave?
February 18th, 2008 05:43 PM
I agree...wonder what the value is of telling an employee...does the employee now have the option to stop serving you??
Originally Posted by archer51
February 18th, 2008 05:47 PM
Yes indeed, that would be a good thing. I'm personally not a fan of open carry in any state, but if that's the only way citizens can carry, then so be it--better than not allowing it at all. We can carry here in restaurants that serve alcohol, but nowhere else where alcohol can be consumed on the premises. (bars mainly). Transporting a firearm without a CCW permit has been a touchy subject here, and nobody seems to be quite clear on the facts, but so long as firearm and ammunition are kept separate there have been no known issues to me. Find the rest of us a place to vote for it online so we can help out with the cause in your state.
They may be coming around!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Captain Crunch; February 19th, 2008 at 12:26 AM.
Reason: Deleted a reference to a religion. Forum rules, paragraph #7.
February 18th, 2008 05:48 PM
It's a foot in the door. Which is what we need.
February 18th, 2008 05:54 PM
I understand incremental improvements in the law, but I'm afraid I don't understand the 'announce concealed carry' thing. I understand this is already the law in some places??
I'm just imagining in my mind... couple times an hour, someone walks in the door at McDonalds and states that they are armed... and then proceeds to order a burger. What's the point? Are they just trying to make the sheep nervous? Can't a business owner post the location, if he doesn't want armed citizens there? I guess I don't get the point.
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February 18th, 2008 05:57 PM
only alcohol restarants apply to this.
February 18th, 2008 06:13 PM
"Hi my name is Cathy, and I'll be your waitress."
"Hi my name is Travis, and I'm carrying a gun!"
Somehow I don't this isn't going to work very well.
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February 18th, 2008 06:22 PM
Good one taxi, it IS way too complicated. Here in California we can carry in any establishment whose sole purpose is NOT selling alcohol, and cannot be "under the influence of alcohol."
Concealed means concealed. Figure out a pocket carry or something semi deep and go for it.
February 18th, 2008 06:43 PM
Here is the new wording ***in its current form***
18.2-308 J3. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the
premises of any restaurant or club as defined in =A7 4.1-100 for which a =
license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises
consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage
Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia may consume an
alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a
concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club shall =
inform a designated employee of the restaurant or club that he is
carrying a concealed handgun. A person who carries a concealed handgun =
onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic
beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. A person who becomes
intoxicated while carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of such =
a restaurant or club is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. However,
nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local
law-enforcement officer while actually engaged in the performance of
his official duties.
February 18th, 2008 07:22 PM
I guess I like what I see
I've had my CHP for a little less than a year now, and when I occasionally carry into an ABC licensed establishment, I hate the stares people give me when I walk through the door open-carrying. So far, no such incidents with other patrons or employees, but you never can tell when it'll anger someone. According to the wording of the proposed bill, it says to tell a designated employee. I for one will have no problem going up to the manager when the employee is seating us and letting him know I have a CHP and am carrying concealed. If he/she doesnt like that and wants me to put it in the car, then he/she has lost my business. Its as simple as that.
Last edited by Captain Crunch; February 19th, 2008 at 12:33 AM.
Reason: Deleted a language workaround.
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February 18th, 2008 08:37 PM
They probably meant well...
I agree. The legal beagles probably wanted to make sure that the permit holder wasn't served any booze.
Originally Posted by Taxi Driver
"Hi, my name is Bill, and I'm the designated driver." - works every time.
"Hi, my name is Bill, and I'm the designated sheepdog." - raising flags is not good for the digestion.
"Hi, you're an American; responsible for your actions. Enjoy your meal." - Goes without saying.
Just my 2 cents.
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February 18th, 2008 08:39 PM
Another reason I won't come to Va. Too many traps!!
February 18th, 2008 08:55 PM
Announcing to the restaurant staff that you are carrying is the most absolutely stupid thing I've ever heard. The government ought to just print placards that hang around your neck that states you're carrying. Only politicians can come up with this kind of stuff.
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February 18th, 2008 09:31 PM
Originally Posted by walvord
How does one think of this. Maybe get drunk and throw darts at the wall. "Ok lets try to make the CWP people wear red shoes to identify that they carry, that will let me know they have a "CONCEALED" weapon".
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