Anyone actually - want to shoot?

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    Anyone actually - want to shoot?

    I am once more incensed by the anti brigade re carry and even simple firearm's possession.

    Do ''they'' really, in truth - see us as folks who are lusting to cap someone? Sheesh. Even in a situation of crisis and lawlessness - I'll wager that your average responsible guy is far from keen to let loose. I know I am.

    Bottom line tho is - in extremis we need and deserve that option - but hey - those poor folks in NO cannot be trusted - I know, I am repeating what I said elsewhere but, what the heck happened to the 2A.

    This is praying on my mind - and it keeps my blood pressure well elevated. Sorry - I am only ranting (again!). I respect life but not when mine is deprived of said respect.
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    Oh God no, I don't want to shoot anyone. I'd think my worst liability in any defense situation would be that I would hesitate for fear of hurting someone.

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    I dont wanna shoot anyone but i will if it comes down to them or me and that bothers them ..

    Becuse that mean they couldnt push me around if they needed to or threaten me becuse i wont cow under What the heck ill admit im selfish and its all about me

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    Heck NO......

    Way too much paperwork after the fact.

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    I can't afford to shoot someone - the lawyers fees, the job putting me on admin leave without pay, the loss of my only pistol into evidence for years, oh, no, I am NOT looking forward to that.
    Beats being dead, I will grant you that...:)...dead people can't hire lawyers to sue the scumbags....
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    How they must secretely envy our independence and capability for survival.
    How they must dream of the freedom from undefined fears for their safety.
    How they must rage within rather shed their shackles of victimization.

    Shoot rhymes with suit. Breath beats death.
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    Well said gunthorp!
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
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    The gun confiscation in NO has me on edge as it does you Chris. It's just flat wrong!!

    "At the discretion of 'Your' Government, we have decided to suspend the Second Amendment of the Constitution just for a little while, just for your own safety."

    What kind of simple-minded liberal sheepdip for brains bureaucrat came up with this idea?
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    Hey guys and gals, shooting someone is not what I want to do. However, yes we do have those that make good everyday citizens look bad because some people do want to plug someone and are just chomping at the bit to do it. Then when its done they feel lost and traumatized because taking another persons life is far from Hollywood or romantic.
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    Chris,

    What I have learned talking with anti-rights people is this.

    They seem to be very emotional.
    They seem to have little control over their emotions.
    They believe everyone is like them.

    I've been flat out told by more than one that if they had a gun with them in traffic they would start shooting people they get so mad. So they attribute this same lack of control over emotions to everyone, because of their belief that they are so good that everyone is like them.

    Some really do believe that wearing a gun will turn you into a blood thirsty killer because they have no doubt they would become one with a gun in their hands.

    I no sooner want to shoot someone than I want to crash my truck into someone head on at 100 mph. However, if someone is threatening me or my family, then I will use that amount of force necessary to stop that threat. If that means I have to shoot them, then I will.

    -Scott-

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    The way I see it, anti's come in 3 varieties:

    Some have a wrong view of human nature. They think that people are OK until they get a gun in their hands; then they become raving psychopaths. (except for themselves, several noted anti's have or have had CCW licenses - Dianne Feinstein for example).

    Gun-free zones, waiting-periods... in their mind are ways (short of the outright ban that they want) to keep people from guns. Their mantra is "guns cause crime." In truth, while all people are capable of great evil, having a piece of wood, metal & plastic in their hands doesn't make a difference. What matters is what's in the heart of man.

    The second variety know full well that guns don't cause crime, but see private ownership as an obstacle to "the greater good", namely socialism. People cannot have personal responsibility for their own welfare or safety; they must see that the state is their nanny, provider and protector. They know what the 2nd Amendment really means, and they oppose it for that reason.

    The third variety - gun-control for them is a way to keep getting elected, and to appear to be doing something about violent crime, while failing to address the real reasons. (the mayor of Washington D.C. comes to mind)

    All of them don't have a problem distorting/fabricating 'facts' and misrepresenting our position. For them, the ends do justify the means.

    I just hope that the ordinary Joe out there sees that they were sold a bill of goods by the gun-haters. For me there is no better argument right now than what's happening in NO. Gang of looters, arsonists, rapists... roaming the streets, with the police unable or unwilling to protect private citizens. The best way to stay safe in that environment is to be armed and willing to use your weapons to defend family and property.

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    As Per Scotts's Comment

    Thank your news media for lots of that BS.
    We just saw that with "Blood Running In The Streets" & Gunfights At High Noon before Ohio went Concealed Carry.

    Do I ever want to be forced to shoot somebody?...No, never.

    If we ever had a Dawn Of The Dead situation with Zombies busting up out of the ground...that might be cool...because ~ "The Undead" are already dead.
    I sure don't to ever want to make any live person dead though.

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    told by more than one that if they had a gun with them in traffic they would start shooting people they get so mad.
    Thx for the good post there Scott - and thx to the others too.

    True I guess, there are some folks who ''think'' they'd go ballistic when mad and shoot the place up - but would they? Even with these gut emotion anti's I have to wonder (more like hope maybe) that actually they are talking hot air and if stopping to think would see things in perspective.

    But it is a fact there are some who should never have or carry a gun simply thru shere instability so if said folks realize that and do not own - so much the better. But that get's beyond a joke when they try to impose their ideas on the rest of us.
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    Having actually done it in Iraq, I can say that (at least for me) you can't WANT to do it, but you also can't NOT WANT to do it. If for some reason you WANT to shoot somebody/ something (and some of the young Soldiers over there claim to want to kill somebody, I guess they see it as being tough or a rite of passage, I see it as being young and scared and trying to fool yourself that you ARE tough) anyway, if you WANT to, then you'll interpret situations too agressively and shoot when you shouldn't. Likewise, if you DON'T WANT to shoot, you'll hesitate and not engage when you should. There is often very little time between when the BG crosses the line on the ROE that allows you to shoot, and he actually begins shooting. If you hesitate you give the BG the first shot... which means you or a buddy could be killed. Sometimes this results in bad engagements where the wrong people get shot... I haven't done it yet but I've seen it. Bad things happen in war. You just have to accept it and roll out the next day ready to do it again.

    In the civilian world that line is even finer, often requiring you to actually see the gun or other weapon... you can't afford to shoot somebody going for a wallet or cell phone, though in my case a "gangbanger" pretending to reach for a weapon in his pants is probably dead. If you hesitate once it is clear you are in danger you give the BG an even bigger advantage.

    According to Musashi's "A Book of Five Rings" it is human nature to hesitate to kill another human being. Even with a weapon out and at the neck of his victim (Musashi was a swordsman in medieval Japan), most humans will hesitate a fraction of a second to actually strike. That is your only advantage as a warrior, and allows you to overcome your enemy's advantage of suprise... if you overcome that hesitation you can regain the initiative lost by the need to be sure the BG is a threat.

    So, my mindset is neither that I want to or I don't, it is simply that I will.
    "I am a Soldier. I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

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    With the perfectly balanced attitude of tanksoldier, and a calm vigilence, maybe the need to shoot will diminish. The history of human nature probably means it'll never disappear altogether. I agree, we prepare so we can avoid hesitation, if we can't avoid confrontation.

    p95carry, you mentioned the topic, I found a psychiatrist's article on the mindset of the gun-banner that echos what scott said. http://www.gunthorp.com/Understandin... mentality.htm

    Thanks miggy, I enjoyed your "you can tell if" list in the humor threads.
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    -Virgil, Aeneid, vi, 95

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