You guys are pushing my buttons this week. And this is more a Friday afternoon, I’m tired and want to go shooting rant more than anything else and not directed toward gunthorp at all.Originally Posted by gunthorp
The alley scene in "Collateral" (I bought the DVD) was a choreographed scene. In the scene, if you watch carefully you will notice a couple of things. First, only two of the four BGs remain, where'd the other two go? Second, it is more than clear that the 2nd BG is fumbling while "Vincent" is shooting the first guy. Thirdly, everybody is standing still; nobody moves from the spot they were in when the shooting began.
Then I question that we could call the way Vincent shot the first BG was point shooting. No, I'm not saying he used his sights, but I know of four schools of thought and principles of point shooting and "Vincent" used none of them. All forms of point shooting that I am familiar with rely on specific things, for example one promotes a crouched, one-hand, target-focused, position with a disciplined method of raising the gun onto the target. The other three have their own disciplines but they all teach eye level indexing of the gun. They all claim effectiveness out to 15 yards and some even more. There is no way Vincent could hit something 15 yards away from the retention position he shot the first BG from.
It’s certainly reasonable to accept that there are numerous forms of point shooting, but most of us seem to tag any kind of shooting that doesn’t involve the sights as point shooting. But by definitions of point shooting principles that are widely taught, that is much too broad of a definition.
For example, if I'm on the ground in a struggle and I push my gun into the guy and fire, is that point shooting? I say no, that’s shove n’ shoot. Most also think shooting from the hip, like the speed rock, and various other retention positions is point shooting. I say it is hip shooting and the most inaccurate kind of shooting there is. I got into a discussion with a guy one time that claimed he point shoots up close. Then he got into a heated debate with some point shooters that were claiming they could point shoot accurately up to 15 yards. He finally realized what he called point shooting (actually retention shooting), and what they called point shooting was two different things. He meant that at arms length that he shot from a retention position with the gun almost chest high, tight in, but canted away from the chest. They meant the gun up at eye level with arm(s) and gun extended, with their eyes focused on the target instead of the sights.
Well, thanks for enduring a pointless rant on Friday afternoon; I feel some better now so I'm going shooting.