Questions for legally open carriers

Questions for legally open carriers

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    Questions for legally open carriers

    I'm realizing more and more about at least a couple of states where open carry is legal all of the time, or in certain instances. The other day when I was in a restaurant, and took up starting the day OWB carry and wore my jacket inside---when I started to warm up a bit--I really wished I could just shed the jacket and return to the buffet with my piece seeing daylight just where it was. In a way now, I'm wishing the option of open carry was an alternative in my state, it's just that I'd like some pros and cons about how you open carriers perceive those situations where you do carry openly. I appreciate it.

    1.) Do you get stared at in public for open carrying?

    2.) Do you feel folks are whispering to one another after seeing that you are carrying a firearm?

    3.) Do you ever think you are being discriminated against in one form or another from say a cashier that is rather short with you instead of being nice and talkative with the previous customer who isn't openly carrying?

    4.) Do you feel some businesses will think of posting a no firearms sign after seeing you with weapon in their shop?

    5.) Do you think that a child, seeing your openly carried firearm, will have different thoughts about the world after seeing this?

    6.) Do you feel in any way that openly carrying a firearm in public would elicit taunting, or smarty comments, or possible trouble-making activities from some of society's undereducated? (work with me on this as I attempt to circumnavigate any reasons for the mods to pull this one)

    7.) Do you feel that open carry is better than concealed carry?

    8.) Does your state or permit allow both open and concealed carry?


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    1) No.

    2) No.

    3) No.

    4) Maybe.

    5) Depends on age and parental explanation, influence, etc.

    6) No.

    7) In some aspects, yes. I open carry from time to time, and always open carry on my motorcycle.

    8) MI allows for open carry with no permit on foot, however in or on a vehicle (on or off road) one needs a CPL to open carry, as in [can be interpreted as "on" as well] it is concealed from outside the vehicle. My advice in MI: get a CPL, have the option of open carry. No matter what, we have possesion being preempted and you have a CPL so no biggie.

    I like the option. I wish it was more accepted as a form of carry.
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    I have carried openly [away from the farm] on one occasion and will answer based on that experience.

    1. I did not notice people staring. There were instances of a double-take and return to business.

    2. No.

    3. I think it made little if any difference.

    4. No.

    5. I hope so. I hope it would generate positive thoughts. I remember seeing someone carry openly when I was about 12 and thought it was neat.

    6. I can't answer.

    7. No.

    8. Tennessee allows permit holders to carry concealed or openly.
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    1.) Maybe a double-take somtimes. Even the sheep arn't "scared" of guns, they watch too much tv.

    2.) not at all.

    3.) I don't think i've ever been discriminated agiasnt b/c I was carrying.

    4.) doubt it

    5.) When I was a child and I saw someone open carrying i automaticaly assumed they were a cop.

    6.) It certianly presents a greater chance.

    7.) No, b/c CC gives you a HUGE tactical advantage, and that is surprise.

    8.) Open carry is allowed in my state when you are 18.

    I only OC when I go to the range, so if i stop for gas or somthing people notice it. Honestly, the option to OC is nice, but CC is better for the tactical advantage alone. If you want to OC more power to ya, but just know you are giving away an advantage.
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    Used to be very common in Arizona almost everywhere. After the state started it's CCW program, I'm seeing less and less open carry. If anyone's been here for a few years, they don't think anything about it. We're growing so fast though, especially with the damn Californians cashing out and moving here, bringing their liberal viewpoints, that it really does turn heads sometimes.
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    1.) Do you get stared at in public for open carrying?
    Occasionally

    2.) Do you feel folks are whispering to one another after seeing that you are carrying a firearm?
    No

    3.) Do you ever think you are being discriminated against in one form or another from say a cashier that is rather short with you instead of being nice and talkative with the previous customer who isn't openly carrying?
    No, infact just the opposite. They tend to me much more polite.

    4.) Do you feel some businesses will think of posting a no firearms sign after seeing you with weapon in their shop?
    No.

    5.) Do you think that a child, seeing your openly carried firearm, will have different thoughts about the world after seeing this?
    No.

    6.) Do you feel in any way that openly carrying a firearm in public would elicit taunting, or smarty comments, or possible trouble-making activities from some of society's undereducated?

    I open carry a lot. I have NEVER experianced any negative comments.

    7.) Do you feel that open carry is better than concealed carry?
    No, just different\

    8.) Does your state or permit allow both open and concealed carry?
    OC - No Permit Required unless in a car
    CC - Permit Required


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    I am not a bit ashamed of my 2nd amendment rights.
    Nor am I. I'm also unconcerned mainly with what anyone else would think of me if I were able to carry openly, but let's say maybe your boss or one of your fellow associates from work sees you while open carrying in public----and you know your company has somewhat taken an anti-gun approach. How about your child's school teacher seeing you in public carrying openly? I mean are there far reaching implications that one might not see on the surface that may affect your job, family, standard of living etc......?

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    I believe it's not only open carry, but more so HOW you open carry. I've seen some pretty ridiculous looking thigh-holsters, mall-ninjas with plastic everywhere, and even Mexican carry down the back of the pants. With a tasteful and well-designed holster/mag pouch, few people even notice, and those that do usually think you're a cop.
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    "I'll bite before it gets locked."

    Just FYI - This will not get locked until the inevitable Open VS Concealed debate starts.
    SO.........if you folks want it to stay open then don't start arguing about which is better.

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    I appreciate that QKShooter. Hear that folks? I'd like to keep this open also. Looking forward to more pertinent replies (not naming any names here or elaborations on the original intent of the post). I don't think there should be any contest with respect to OC or CC. We're just looking at the perceived/possible ramifications of asserting our constitutional/or granted civil rights here. I never posted with the intent of seeing arguments for or against the case of open carry. Be it known.

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    1.) Do you get stared at in public for open carrying?

    Sometimes but only if near Las Vegas because of Californians and new arrivals from other Socialist States. Mostly double takes though.


    2.) Do you feel folks are whispering to one another after seeing that you are carrying a firearm?

    No.

    3.) Do you ever think you are being discriminated against in one form or another from say a cashier that is rather short with you instead of being nice and talkative with the previous customer who isn't openly carrying?

    No.

    4.) Do you feel some businesses will think of posting a no firearms sign after seeing you with weapon in their shop?

    Perhaps but unlikely.

    5.) Do you think that a child, seeing your openly carried firearm, will have different thoughts about the world after seeing this?

    Don't know. But it can't compare to TV, Movies, Videos etc.

    6.) Do you feel in any way that openly carrying a firearm in public would elicit taunting, or smarty comments, or possible trouble-making activities from some of society's undereducated? (work with me on this as I attempt to circumnavigate any reasons for the mods to pull this one)

    I haven't experienced this.

    7.) Do you feel that open carry is better than concealed carry?

    OC. Might Deter but CC might give you the advantage against BG. I prefer CC

    8.) Does your state or permit allow both open and concealed carry?

    OC without permit in most but not in all cities.
    CC With permit only
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    1.) Yes, some people stare at open carrying, here in Virginia -- NOVA, Tidewater, and Richmond areas more so than SWVA

    2.) Dito re: whispering.

    3.) Yes. One of the reasons the Anti's do not want CC in restaurants w/ on premises is to have the owners post another Unarmed Victim Zone .

    4.) Yes, businesses do post Unarmed Victim Zone signs after seeing open carry or having other customers react to it.

    5.) Depends on their parents' reaction.

    6.) I have heard of (but never seen personally) were it invoked taunting, and trouble-making activities. See #3.

    7.) I prefer concealed carry.

    8.) Virginia allow anyone who can own a gun to carry openly, with limits on locations. a CHP is required for concealed carry --location vary slightly.
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    I have lived in both PHX and LAS and open carried fairly regulary until I got my permit.

    I have been asked while open carrying in Walmart if a little boy could see my gun. I just turned my hip. The mother was not afraid. I have never once been approached regarding "why are you carrying a gun?"

    Now that I have my permit, I really did it so that I had the option of wearing a shirt/jacket that would cover the weapon. I find myself going deep concealment (appendix IWB) more often than I thought I would. I have also yet to go thru a summer in the desert with my ccw. I imagine that will make me rethink my open carry decision and may start doing it a little more. But my typical attire is an unbuttoned shirt (Dickies style) over a t-shirt no matter what the season.

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    The only time I OC is in resturants that serve alcohol, at which time I tuck my shirt behind the butt of my gun, thus exposing it. All other times I am concealed.

    1. No for the most part, most sheeple are not observant enough to notice.

    2. No

    3. No

    4. No, if they are going to post they would already be posted.

    5. No....I would hope as they get older they learn to view weapons as a tool, not a toy, but that depends on how they are raised.

    6. If your referring to the sheeple , No, you are a plague to them to be avoided, they would rather associate with a leper than a gun owner. If you are refferring to the more unsavory element out there, the ones we carry because of, again I doubt it. Most of them are lazy and cowards, otherwise they would take up another line of work.

    7. I think each has its own place. Neither is better or worse than the other under different circumstances.

    8. Virginia is OC/CC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    I'm wishing the option of open carry was an alternative in my state
    So do I.

    I would probably carry concealed (most of the time) but I wouldn't have to be that careful about it.

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