Texas Gun Free Zones

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    Texas Gun Free Zones

    Is there any significant legislation in Texas to reduce or eliminate gun free zones? Up until this last week, this issue has been pretty dim on my radar. I have a family member in the hospital and these 30.06 signs have my attention now. One word keeps coming to mind: Stupid.

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    The Legislature is not in session this year, so it's pretty quiet. Not much other than miscellaneous musings from legislators.

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    Nothing that I can find... but I don't think you'll ever get hospitals on the approved carry locations. I agree, my son was just in Texas Children's and I was going back and forth at odd hours. Didn't feel real comfortable walking to and from my truck.
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    I've not heard of anything new concerning carrying do's and don'ts


    but remember, hospitals have to post 30.06 to forbid,
    technically they are approved carry locations if you look at it from the law's "perspective" (just like churches), but they can choose to prevent CHLs from carrying on their property just like any other landowner/homeowner

    I hate having to disarm when I meet the wife at the hospital (her workplace) for lunch, etc, I agree....it stinks

    I wish we'd push for allowing carry in schools, I have 3 relatives that work in schools and they're taught to huddle the kids in their locked classroom waiting to be slaughtered, my sis-in-law said she'll break out the window with a chair and have all the kids haul tail, but she still wants to carry her Kimber 45
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    As lacking and obscure as some issues and restrictions are on CHL here in Texas, we are still a lot better off then we were prior to CHL. I know that there is much reform on the docket as we move forward.
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    I wrote the Gov, State Sen & my State Rep about a month ago. The Gov wrote back suggesting that I contact the legislators since they write the laws.

    I think the reason they get written into law is so they can compromise with the anti gun people on the issue.

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    You might want to take a wander around the hospital when you have a little free time. For 30.06 to be in force (according to the deputy that taught my class) every entrance must be posted with the required sign. If you find one that isn't that is the entrance to use. At Christus St Catherine here in Katy they have posted the main building but the two attached office buildings do not have signs meeting the legal standard. They just have cute little window stickers saying state law prohibits weapons. And since there is a walkway connecting these buildings to the main hospital building ( that is not posted) the other signs are basically a waste of money!
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    mcp, I wouldn't want to be the test case for that one.

    I'm still not sure why they put the hospital, church, amusement park clause in there. Doesn't make much since. It's just a repeat of what they have already said.

    Any private business that want to prohibit legal guns can post a legal 30.06 sign. I don't know why it prohibits the church and hospital thing, just to make an exception for CHL holders 3 or 4 lines down....I guess the sheep don't read the fine print and feel safer...I dunno.

    I do doubt that we will ever have the ability to go anywhere we want regardless of the private business owner's wishes. I think the 30.06 sign is here to stay unless DC vs Heller results in a very decisive decision...which I doubt.
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    Guys this is a shot in the dark but my wife works for one of the state reps. He has told me if we will write up what we (chl holders) want; he will bring them up when they are in session. He is pro gun. He's license number is 001 which was reserved to be the Presidents, of course he doesn't need it now since he has the Secret Service. He gave up that number to my state rep. So lets start up with what we would like and see what happens.
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    I did a little investigating & found somewhere the signs need to be in spanish and english. If the signage is in english only, does it loose it's validity?

    On the law changes, I would like to see the specific venues eliminated from the wording in the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    You might want to take a wander around the hospital when you have a little free time. For 30.06 to be in force (according to the deputy that taught my class) every entrance must be posted with the required sign. If you find one that isn't that is the entrance to use. At Christus St Catherine here in Katy they have posted the main building but the two attached office buildings do not have signs meeting the legal standard. They just have cute little window stickers saying state law prohibits weapons. And since there is a walkway connecting these buildings to the main hospital building ( that is not posted) the other signs are basically a waste of money!
    you would be correct!, all entrances must be posted. my chl instructor had many discussions about this with the DPS, if the signs don't meet the requirement or if they are not posted correctly they are not enforcable. That being said, I'm not aware of a case brought into court for this

    Quote Originally Posted by shavis View Post
    I did a little investigating & found somewhere the signs need to be in spanish and english. If the signage is in english only, does it loose it's validity?
    as above, if the signage does not meet the requirements (english and spanish, block letters at least 1" high, quoting the required phrase letter for letter, letters contrasting color to the background, posted at every entrance in an inconspicuous manner) then the signs are not enforcable

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    Guys this is a shot in the dark but my wife works for one of the state reps. He has told me if we will write up what we (chl holders) want; he will bring them up when they are in session. He is pro gun. He's license number is 001 which was reserved to be the Presidents, of course he doesn't need it now since he has the Secret Service. He gave up that number to my state rep. So lets start up with what we would like and see what happens.
    why not? lets go for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    Guys this is a shot in the dark but my wife works for one of the state reps. He has told me if we will write up what we (chl holders) want; he will bring them up when they are in session. He is pro gun. He's license number is 001 which was reserved to be the Presidents, of course he doesn't need it now since he has the Secret Service. He gave up that number to my state rep. So lets start up with what we would like and see what happens.
    I've written my State Rep & Sen (as stated above).

    I'd like to see the only off limits place be the jail/prison. There's no reason that we should not be able to protect ourselves everywhere else. Look at all the mass shootings...all in "gun free" zones. We know what those really are - criminal empowerment zones.

    I say we try to draft something to send to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridgeline View Post
    As lacking and obscure as some issues and restrictions are on CHL here in Texas, we are still a lot better off then we were prior to CHL. I know that there is much reform on the docket as we move forward.
    Personally, I was opposed to CHL's because I didn't want to grant government the authority to decide who can and who can't carry. I feel that's a decision every man should make for himself. However, prior to passage of the current laws, law enforcement was completely free to do as they pleased with you, if you did decide to carry. They could turn you loose, warn you, write you a citation, confiscate your weapon, arrest you, charge you, all completely at their own discression. Now that my fellow citizens have given the government this power over us, I insist on having one as long as I can. I'm an nurse practicioner, and enter and leave hospitals all the time, can't say very much has really changed, CHL's have given us some protection by providing guidelines for law enforcement, but guidelines are all they are at present. Law enforcement still has a lot more leeway to interpret, than I'm comfortable with. I would love nothing more than to be able to carry at work, however one thing I can tell you, most of my co-workers would never stand for anyone but a uniformed guard or LEO being permitted to carry in a hospital, the majority are virulently anti-gun. Even if it where made legal, they would certainly write company policies making it grounds for termination.

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    I'm from Texas and it's my understanding not all doors have to be posted as long as it is posted in proper verbage 1" contrasting letters in english and spanish,if you walk into a mall that is posted by walking into a store that isn't posted on the exterior door as soon as you enter the mall you are in violation

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    Here's a link to Section 30.06 of the Texas Penal Code.

    WARNING: I'm not a lawyer, and the following does NOT consitute legal advice.

    It just says the property has to be posted, not every door. However, I would think a good defense atty would be able to argue that if you went in an entrance that did not have a sign, you weren't properly informed. Failure to comply with Section 30.06 is a Class A misdemeanor. Your call on this one.

    Edited to add: Section 30.05 "Criminal Trespass" says signage must be placed at the entrance to the builiding.

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