Which states are best for School & University carry

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    Which states are best for School & University carry

    Hi Folks.
    I was wondering which states permit college/university CCW. Also, same question for elementary/high school.

    University CCW would be for me as a student, elem/high would be as a parent on school grounds, dropping kids off, picking kids up, etc.

    Any info is greatly appreciated. I expect answers will vary a whole lot, so if there are any conditions or restrictions just post them. If you can cite or link to the laws that apply, that's great too.

    Thanks in advance!

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    Washington its legal to carry on campus, but the school will expel anyone caught with one.

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    Utah is a good option. You can legally carry on every state-owned campus. If fact, for a while a local guy was offering free CCW courses for University students. I don't want to mention the name in case he isn't now but you could Google Utah CCW and find a mention of it.

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    California CCW holders are allowed to carry on school campus, but some schools may have regulations against it and could expel you, but you cannot be prosecuted for it.

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    Just got this from NRAILA:

    Today, Thursday, March 13, by a bipartisan vote of 65-36, the Oklahoma House of Representatives passed an amended version of House Bill 2513, authored by State Representative Jason Murphey (R-31).

    HB2513 will now allow for military veterans who possess a valid concealed carry permit to lawfully carry a concealed handgun on Oklahoma's public college and university campuses.

    This critically important self-defense measure now moves to the Senate for consideration.

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    In MN, you can carry on colleges and universities (they might not like it but oh well ). If you work for them, you might get fired or a student might get expelled.

    For K-12, you can carry with written permission of the principle or superintendent no problem. I know many folks who have received the approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesnofoa View Post
    Washington its legal to carry on campus, but the school will expel anyone caught with one.
    May I ask you what your source is on this? I'm from the Seattle area and have heard nothing of this. Furthermore, I'm finishing up a degree (mostly online, but I have one on-campus class) and this is of particular interest to me.

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    RCW 9.41.280: Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities — Penalty — Exceptions.

    (1) It is unlawful for a person to carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school-provided transportation, or areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools:

    This law states it is illegal to bring weapons onto any middle school or highschool. Primary or secondary school.

    With the following exceptions.

    (3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:

    (a) Any student or employee of a private military academy when on the property of the academy;

    (b) Any person engaged in military, law enforcement, or school district security activities;

    (c) Any person who is involved in a convention, showing, demonstration, lecture, or firearms safety course authorized by school authorities in which the firearms of collectors or instructors are handled or displayed;

    (d) Any person while the person is participating in a firearms or air gun competition approved by the school or school district;

    (e) Any person in possession of a pistol who has been issued a license under RCW 9.41.070, or is exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060, while picking up or dropping off a student;

    (f) Any nonstudent at least eighteen years of age legally in possession of a firearm or dangerous weapon that is secured within an attended vehicle or concealed from view within a locked unattended vehicle while conducting legitimate business at the school;

    (g) Any nonstudent at least eighteen years of age who is in lawful possession of an unloaded firearm, secured in a vehicle while conducting legitimate business at the school; or

    (h) Any law enforcement officer of the federal, state, or local government agency.



    So although it is technically legal to carry on campus Washington Academic Code forbids weapons of any kind.

    478-120-020
    Standards of conduct.
    (1) The university is a public institution having special responsibility for providing instruction in higher education, for advancing knowledge through scholarship and research, and for providing related services to the community. As a center of learning, the university also has the obligation to maintain conditions conducive to freedom of inquiry and expression to the maximum degree compatible with the orderly conduct of its functions. For these purposes, the university is governed by the rules, regulations, procedures, policies, and standards of conduct that safeguard its functions and protect the rights and freedoms of all members of the academic community.

    (2) Admission to the university carries with it the presumption that students will conduct themselves as responsible members of the academic community. As a condition of enrollment, all students assume responsibility to observe standards of conduct that will contribute to the pursuit of academic goals and to the welfare of the academic community. That responsibility includes, but is not limited to:

    (a) Practicing high standards of academic and professional honesty and integrity;

    (b) Respecting the rights, privileges, and property of other members of the academic community and visitors to the campus, and refraining from any conduct that would interfere with university functions or endanger the health, welfare, or safety of other persons;

    (c) Complying with the rules, regulations, procedures, policies, standards of conduct, and orders of the university and its schools, colleges, and departments.

    (3) Specific instances of misconduct include, but are not limited to:

    (a) Conduct that intentionally and substantially obstructs or disrupts teaching or freedom of movement or other lawful activities on university premises or in connection with any university-sponsored event or activity and is not constitutionally and/or legally protected;

    (b) Physical abuse of any person, or conduct intended to threaten imminent bodily harm or to endanger the health or safety of any person on university premises;

    (c) Conduct on university premises constituting a sexual offense, whether forcible or nonforcible, such as rape, sexual assault, or sexual harassment;

    (d) Malicious damage to or malicious misuse of university property, or the property of any person where such property is located on university premises;

    (e) Refusal to comply with any lawful order to leave university premises or any portion thereof;

    (f) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on university premises, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university (see WAC 478-124-020 (2)(e)) (legal defense sprays are not covered by this section);


    (g) Unlawful possession, use, distribution, or manufacturer of alcohol or controlled substances (as defined in chapter 69.50 RCW) on university premises or during university-sponsored activities;

    (h) Intentionally inciting others to engage immediately in any unlawful activity, which incitement leads directly to such conduct on university premises;

    (i) Hazing, or conspiracy to engage in hazing, which includes:

    (i) Any method of initiation into a student organization or living group, or any pastime or amusement engaged in with respect to such an organization or living group, that causes, or is likely to cause, bodily danger or physical harm, or serious mental or emotional harm, to any student or other person attending the university; and

    (ii) Conduct associated with initiation into a student organization or living group, or any pastime or amusement engaged in with respect to an organization or living group not amounting to a violation of (i)(i) of this subsection, but including such conduct as humiliation by ritual act and sleep deprivation. Consent is no defense to hazing. Hazing does not include customary athletic events or other similar contests or competitions;

    (j) Falsely reporting a violation of the student conduct code.

    (4) Disciplinary action may be taken in accord with this chapter regardless of whether that conduct also involves an alleged or proven violation of law.

    (5) An instructor has the authority to exclude a student from any class session in which the student is disorderly or disruptive. If the student persists in the disorderly or disruptive conduct, the instructor should report the matter to the dean of the school or college, or, at the University of Washington Bothell and Tacoma campuses, to the director of the program in which the student is enrolled. (See WAC 478-120-030(3).)

    (6) Nothing herein shall be construed to deny students their legally and/or constitutionally protected rights. (I like this bit at the end. You can't have guns here, but we respect your right to keep and bear arms.)

    I also think its funny that it doesn't say what happens if you break the rule. But its pretty much given that expulsion is the course that will be taken.

    Concealed is concealed, stay armed. Its sad that higher education has to come with life insurance now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesnofoa View Post
    Concealed is concealed, stay armed. Its sad that higher education has to come with life insurance now.
    Thank you very much for this information. I'm going to print that page of the code and ask my lawyer his opinion. If he agrees that I'd only be breaking university rules, not laws, then I'll seriously consider a deep concealment holster.
    Luckily I'm only on campus twice a week, and it's an evening class. I decided to go back and finish up my degree, which I can mostly do online. Being able to carry on campus would make me quite a bit happier about it.

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    NH is good to go on both school and college

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    Oregon is pretty much the same as Washington, it is fully legal to conceal carry on public campuses and school grounds but the schools have rules against weapons, my school even released a statement saying conceal carry was not allowed. The Oregon gun lobby (OFF) is trying to take the university system to court since the schools do not have the authority to prohibit conceal carry. I have spoken with my schools campus safety officers about it and the worst they have done to a student that was reported was escort him/her off campus. So depending on the area, the consequence of getting caught can vary. A very messed up situation for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHM View Post
    California CCW holders are allowed to carry on school campus, but some schools may have regulations against it and could expel you, but you cannot be prosecuted for it.
    Uhhhh, this is simply not true!!!
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    I'm not sure about all campuses in PA, but UPenn does not allow concealed firearms, even with a CCL. I called the UPenn PD last week and asked them specifically. "Nowhere on University-owned property."

    Of course, I tried really hard to find a written rule, but no success.

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    Maine is not restricted on private colleges/universities - of course their "policy" may prohibit.

    State universities and colleges are the same. Not legally restricted, just policy restricted. The State University Board is trying to change the ME constitution to allow them (the board) to set gun laws on campus. This raised a lot of red flags and is all but dead. The legislature doesn't want to let a board make laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEFan View Post
    Uhhhh, this is simply not true!!!
    Do I need to prove it to you? check the penal code, its legal whether you like it or not. See below and read all of the bold print. Penal Code Section 12050 relates to CCW holders. Your issuing agency may add restrictions but here in San Bernardino County, they don't put any restrictions on your permit other than the normal state mandated ones.



    626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
    Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
    (b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person
    knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in
    paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written
    permission of the school district superintendent, his or her
    designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as
    specified in subdivision (f).
    (c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
    under any of the following circumstances:
    (1) Within a place of residence or place of business or on private
    property, if the place of residence, place of business, or private
    property is not part of the school grounds and the possession of the
    firearm is otherwise lawful.
    (2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other
    firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked
    container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.
    This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
    transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver,
    or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in
    accordance with state law.
    (3) When the person possessing the firearm reasonably believes
    that he or she is in grave danger because of circumstances forming
    the basis of a current restraining order issued by a court against
    another person or persons who has or have been found to pose a threat
    to his or her life or safety. This subdivision may not apply when
    the circumstances involve a mutual restraining order issued pursuant
    to Division 10 (commencing with Section 6200) of the Family Code
    absent a factual finding of a specific threat to the person's life or
    safety. Upon a trial for violating subdivision (b), the trier of a
    fact shall determine whether the defendant was acting out of a
    reasonable belief that he or she was in grave danger.
    (4) When the person is exempt from the prohibition against
    carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to subdivision (b), (d), (e),
    or (h) of Section 12027.
    (d) Except as provided in subdivision (b), it shall be unlawful
    for any person, with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to
    discharge, or attempt to discharge, a firearm in a school zone, as
    defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e).
    The prohibition contained in this subdivision does not apply to
    the discharge of a firearm to the extent that the conditions of
    paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) are satisfied.
    (e) As used in this section, the following definitions shall
    apply:
    (1) "School zone" means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public
    or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
    to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the
    grounds of the public or private school.
    (2) "Firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given in
    Section 12001.
    (3) "Locked container" has the same meaning as that term is given
    in subdivision (c) of Section 12026.1.
    (4) "Concealed firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given
    in Sections 12025 and 12026.1.
    (f) (1) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a
    firearm in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school
    providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive,
    shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three,
    or five years.
    (2) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a
    firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public
    or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
    to 12, inclusive, shall be punished as follows:
    (A) By imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five
    years, if any of the following circumstances apply:
    (i) If the person previously has been convicted of any felony, or
    of any crime made punishable by Chapter 1 (commencing with Section
    12000) of Title 2 of Part 4.
    (ii) If the person is within a class of persons prohibited from
    possessing or acquiring a firearm pursuant to Section 12021 or
    12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and
    Institutions Code.
    (iii) If the firearm is any pistol, revolver, or other firearm
    capable of being concealed upon the person and the offense is
    punished as a felony pursuant to Section 12025.
    (B) By imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year or
    by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five years,
    in all cases other than those specified in subparagraph (A).
    (3) Any person who violates subdivision (d) shall be punished by
    imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years.
    (g) (1) Every person convicted under this section for a
    misdemeanor violation of subdivision (b) who has been convicted
    previously of a misdemeanor offense enumerated in Section 12001.6
    shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not less than
    three months, or if probation is granted or if the execution or
    imposition of sentence is suspended, it shall be a condition thereof
    that he or she be imprisoned in a county jail for not less than three
    months.
    (2) Every person convicted under this section of a felony
    violation of subdivision (b) or (d) who has been convicted previously
    of a misdemeanor offense enumerated in Section 12001.6, if probation
    is granted or if the execution of sentence is suspended, it shall be
    a condition thereof that he or she be imprisoned in a county jail
    for not less than three months.
    (3) Every person convicted under this section for a felony
    violation of subdivision (b) or (d) who has been convicted previously
    of any felony, or of any crime made punishable by Chapter 1
    (commencing with Section 12000) of Title 2 of Part 4, if probation is
    granted or if the execution or imposition of sentence is suspended,
    it shall be a condition thereof that he or she be imprisoned in a
    county jail for not less than three months.
    (4) The court shall apply the three-month minimum sentence
    specified in this subdivision, except in unusual cases where the
    interests of justice would best be served by granting probation or
    suspending the execution or imposition of sentence without the
    minimum imprisonment required in this subdivision or by granting
    probation or suspending the execution or imposition of sentence with
    conditions other than those set forth in this subdivision, in which
    case the court shall specify on the record and shall enter on the
    minutes the circumstances indicating that the interests of justice
    would best be served by this disposition.
    (h) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
    possesses a loaded firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or
    buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research,
    or administration by, a public or private university or college, that
    are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
    is with the written permission of the university or college
    president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
    authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
    two, three, or four years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
    university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
    entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
    prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
    (i) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
    possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
    owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
    administration by, a public or private university or college, that
    are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
    is with the written permission of the university or college
    president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
    authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
    one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
    university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
    entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
    prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
    (j) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall be deemed to be
    loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of
    a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or
    attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited
    to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the
    firearm. A muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when
    it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in
    the barrel or cylinder.
    (k) This section does not require that notice be posted regarding
    the proscribed conduct.
    (l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
    as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
    Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
    federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
    California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
    making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
    engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
    this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
    of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
    firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
    Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
    in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
    (e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.
    (m) This section does not apply to a security guard authorized to
    carry a loaded firearm pursuant to Section 12031.
    (n) This section does not apply to an existing shooting range at
    a public or private school or university or college campus.
    (o) This section does not apply to an honorably retired peace
    officer authorized to carry a concealed or loaded firearm pursuant to
    subdivision (a) or (i) of Section 12027 or paragraph (1) or (8) of
    subdivision (b) of Section 12031.

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