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    When my son was in daycare I always carried when I picked him up. This summer he probably will be back there and I'll still be carrying when I drop him off and pick him up. There is no sign and if there was, I'd find another daycare.
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    Not sure here. My daughters Mom sent her to school with a guns and roses t-shirt and they called me to make sure it never happened again. At the time she was three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keely110707 View Post
    Just to let you know I am a daycare teacher for the time being and I actually am the gun totin' type. I may just be the one exception in this whole world, but I am still out there. I didn't take offense to the comment, just wanted to let you know that there are some of us daycare teachers out there.
    Now I don't carry to work and there is only one person that knows that I carry because it is such a touchy topic. I really wish that I could carry at work, at least in my vehicle or something like that. I would feel better about that then goofy "security" system we have now. (I use security very loosely here).
    At my center, unless you are a VA LEO you can not carry into the center. And you must me in uniform. I have never checked the rest of the state out because that is the only center I work at, and I have no children.
    Well, that might have been a bit presumptious of me.

    Most of them look to be about 16-23 years old. There is an LEO who drops his kid off (or used to) and he always open carried in the building. I don't see why it would be a problem for a CCW holder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    Well, that might have been a bit presumptious of me.

    Most of them look to be about 16-23 years old. There is an LEO who drops his kid off (or used to) and he always open carried in the building. I don't see why it would be a problem for a CCW holder.
    I'm 25 if that makes a difference Yes I do agree that CCW's should be allowed to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keely110707 View Post
    I'm 25 if that makes a difference Yes I do agree that CCW's should be allowed to carry.
    Absolutely should be allowed!

    Here is a link to a story of a recent daycare shooting in Cape Coral FL. The second link shows the related stories. The woman who was murdered was denied a restraining order

    NBC2 News Online - 'Monster' kills woman in Cape daycare
    NBC2 News Online - Witness gives first-hand account of daycare shooting
    NBC2 News Online - Police: Details released on Bobbie Noonan homicide

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmsstnr View Post
    I suppose I'll rant as well as back it up. ::

    To post in a thread, "Help with my state regs" you have to find the answer for the poster, then say what your state allows.

    055 Pa. Code §*3270.79.*Firearms.

    Your state does not allow carry in a daycare.

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    Specifically excluded and not legal in the state of Ohio. Our daycare has it posted clearly as well. However, even if not posted, not legal here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonydr2 View Post
    Specifically excluded and not legal in the state of Ohio. Our daycare has it posted clearly as well. However, even if not posted, not legal here.

    it's my understanding (or is it misunderstanding?) that unlike real schools, PARKING LOTS at daycare centers are OK, just not the buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmsstnr View Post
    I suppose I'll rant as well as back it up. ::

    To post in a thread, "Help with my state regs" you have to find the answer for the poster, then say what your state allows.

    055 Pa. Code §*3270.79.*Firearms.

    Your state does not allow carry in a daycare.
    This is the applicable statute here. NB: there is an arguable defense but I have seen it fail in Delaware County Common Pleas Court.

    PA CS Title 18 The Pennsylvania Crimes Code

    § 912. Possession of weapon on school property.

    (a) Definition.--Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife, cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

    (b) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.

    (c) Defense.--It shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful purpose.
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    The 1996 Federal gun free zone act reads

    Sec. 657. Section 922(q) of title 18



    (A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to

    possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects

    interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual

    knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.



    "(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a

    firearm--



    "(i) on private property not part of school grounds;



    "(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to

    do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a

    political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or

    political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains

    such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or

    political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under

    law to receive the license;

    California PENAL CODE
    SECTION 626-626.11


    (l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
    as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
    Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
    federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
    California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
    making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
    engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
    this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
    of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
    firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
    Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
    in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
    (e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professional Code.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knuckledrager View Post
    This is the applicable statute here. NB: there is an arguable defense but I have seen it fail in Delaware County Common Pleas Court.
    What is the arguable defense you know of? Sounds interesting.

    PA CS Title 18 The Pennsylvania Crimes Code

    § 912. Possession of weapon on school property.

    (a) Definition.--Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife, cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

    (b) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.

    (c) Defense.--It shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful purpose.
    Great info for PA,

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    those are not law

    I know this is an old thread but, in PA you can carry in daycare.


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    Thumbs up Depends on Daycare

    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    Can a daycare be considered a school if it has school aged children in it? I drop my kids off and I'm normally carrying... is it legal?
    It depends on the daycare in PA for the right to carry. I asked about it at the Sheriff's department and the obvious answer was "should" not carry it when picking up my son. However, there is a fine line he said. IF the daycare center provides transportation to a public or private elementary or secondary school public or private school, the firearm CANNOT be on the property, if it is discovered that the firearm is on the property either being carried concealed or in the vehicle of, the firearm can be revoked, the license can be revoked and the person can be charged of a felony. You are looking at prison time! IF the daycare does not provide transportation to and from a public or private elementary or secondary school nor is listed as a K-12, the firearm can be concealed - you would be asked to not bring it again if it is discovered but you cannot be charged of a felony.

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    I'm in Las Vegas and feel we are a pretty pro 2a state. Yet it is forbidden to have in your possession or in your car on the property of any daycare with our written consent from the owner or principle. This goes for private residence day care as well, excluding the home owners and residents. Luckily for me my kids day care has a parking lot for another business that is only separated by a piece of concrete. So gun goes in the safe for drop off and pick up.


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