This will probably get me in trouble, but the Wal-Mart thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by i12flytoday View Post
    They record the serial number on the application. You can add more than one gun to your permit, and the permit only shows that make / model of gun, but the state records still have the serial number.
    That's crazy IMO also, is that the only gun you can carry?
    What if you sell that one and get a new one, do you have to get a new permit also?
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    hat's crazy IMO also, is that the only gun you can carry?
    What if you sell that one and get a new one, do you have to get a new permit also?
    Yes listed pistols are all you can carry so you dont sell one lightly because you either cannot carry , or must carry another of the 2 or 3 they allow( if nothing else space on the permit card limits it ) until you can get an ammended permit that lists your " new love " . However you do not " carry off permit " .
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInNY View Post
    I am in Upstate NY also (Saugerties, Exit 20 on the Thruway). I carry in Wal-Mart, Gander, Dick's Sporting, etc. to buy ammo all the time. It just becomes second nature. Of course, you must have an unrestricted permit to do this. If there are restrictions, and you get caught, it's deep doo-doo.
    In NY there are TWO types of permits....CARRY and PREMISE (NYC doesn't count for now). NYS Police recognize you LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARM as just that. Local PD might bust your.....nether regions, but State PD know that it's a carry, with a judges suggestion. My 2 cents....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdwolf View Post
    I feel sorry for all of you from NY. I haven't looked at numbers lately, What's crime like these day's? Are the BG's obeying the gun laws?
    So if someone moved to New York with handguns and didn't have a NY permit, then what you have to sell them before you move there. Is it the City or is the whole state in the dark?
    You'd be better off giving them to an FFL in your state to send them to an FFL in NY near where you'll plan to live. Let the FFL know what is coming and after you make application for permits and are approved, you can take possession of handguns. If for any reason you are denied, at least the FFL can sell them for you because he has legal possession as< I believe the handguns are written into his pistol log.......Paper trail. Rifles are not as big a deal, but I'd call the Sheriff in your County and ask.
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    but State PD know that it's a carry, with a judges suggestion.
    I guess here is one of my major points of confusion . Even back when CO was may issue there was not a requirement for one to live in the county where the permit was issued , and Sheriffs were in charge of issuance . So if one's home sheriff for instance was anti permit one just shopped a county or two away and got issued anyway . Some countys basically funded an extra dispatcher or jailer thro issuance of permits . At no time was the judicial branch involved in the process , and as a rule one did not need " letters of recommendation " or other " jim crow bs " to attain a permit . Sheriffs either issued them at large , or issued them to cronys only but in the latter case could not effectively block permits due to the fact that any sheriff in CO could issue to any resident and the permit was good statewide . Now we have " Shall Issue " and in a lot of ways its better , in some worse in some areas . It is now more expensive than it used to be to attain, maintain a permit , but you can trot down to the local SO and they must issue you one so that is good lol .

    I just dont grasp the entire concept of a permit to own a firearm , nor a permit to keep one on my property . I am not real sure that a ccw permit should be needed in any fashon to carry however one chooses , but it is the state of the law where i live if one wants to carry so as not to alarm the public or visit denver city .
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    You are missing out on living in a free state. When you “approach” the county judge and ask him to pretty please “remove the restrictions” you might ask him where exactly in the Constitution does it say you have to go through all that crap to exercise your right to self-protection with a gun. Every time I think MN is a liberal Hell Hole I will remind myself I could be living in NY State.
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    Question Skip WI too......

    Yeah, I would avoid the Socialist Republic of Wisconsin too. They are one of 6 that don't allow a CCW, I am frightened that I have elected to temporarily go back after a prolonged period in a gun friendly state of Arizona. I carry everyday here and I never knew about the Walmart thing. I have to say I still have that weird feeling like I am doing something wrong when I have my firearm with me. I grew up in WI and my dad was a cop for many years. He believes that people don't need guns....we choose not to talk about it because we get into fights.

    Madison and its liberal democrat Governor Doyle and that other nutjob Feingold are quite something. Sometimes I wonder what happened to the "good ole' boy rednecks" in that state?

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    You are missing out on living in a free state. When you “approach” the county judge and ask him to pretty please “remove the restrictions” you might ask him where exactly in the Constitution does it say you have to go through all that crap to exercise your right to self-protection with a gun.
    Lets dont go there , almost all states , mine included require a permit to ccw . I personally dont think that is right and proper , but then i advocate non violent felons get thier rights back if they dime out a sentence also .
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    Most require it but that doesn't mean...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    Lets dont go there , almost all states , mine included require a permit to ccw . I personally dont think that is right and proper , but then i advocate non violent felons get thier rights back if they dime out a sentence also .
    I agree with it. MN requires it also. I advocate for the Alalska/Vermont style law. If you are legally allowed to own a gun you should be allowed to carry it. I agree with you about the "non-violent felons" getting back their right to own and carry a gun too.

    He asked what he was missing and I simply told him "living in a free state".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    Now to me the phrase "getting your permit, secreting your weapon on your person " raises some real concerns when taken with the tone of the post ( " So the idea of someone buying a pistol for the first time, walking around Wal-Mart with it, without ever having fired it (buying ammo) seems to me a little dangerous." ).
    To claim that this is what is advocated by the whole wally world thread (s ) which are somewhat an inside joke to start with seems to speak of a lack of reading on the forum or an intent to " stur the pot " for whatever reason .
    Well, like I mentioned, I figured it might be a cultural thing. In NY, getting one's permit is the first step in owning a handgun. I didn't understand that people could own and shoot handguns without a permit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    Now i freely admit i don't know cl00bie , and i don't know NY laws or culture ( i have been thro NY exactly once and that included some of scenic NYC , but i was driving a semi at the time ) tho a couple of fellas i know state things are much better upstate than down .
    With that in mind Ill tell cl00bie that this is not an attack and you are not in trouble at all . If your intent was pure your questions have been answered on the wally world issue . You however will find that outside the eastern or western seaboards guns and the use of same are as a rule considered much more a right both legally and societally than the " privilege " that it seems to be in our denser populated do nothing of substance states near the seas ( see i can do it too lol ). Were i to offer friendly advise i would say that the same question could have been asked with better verbage . I do realize that coming from ME that is some what of Mr Pot , meet MR kettle but then i am one of them illiterate rednecks that lack in all social graces LOL .
    No problem. I was trying to convey the attitude of the area. Unfortunately, in NYS owning a handgun is indeed a privilege (and a severely restricted privilege in NYC). I'd like it to change, but the way I look at it, as long as NYC is a huge liberal sheep-pen, and the sheep continue to vote, it won't be happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdwolf View Post
    That's crazy IMO also, is that the only gun you can carry?
    What if you sell that one and get a new one, do you have to get a new permit also?
    In NY, you can't take delivery of the handgun until it is registered on your permit. However, someone else can put their guns on your permit and visa-versa, and I don't know if there is a limit to the number of handguns.

    When my wife gets her permit, she'll have all my guns on her permit (even the .357 which she probably won't like shooting).

    Quote Originally Posted by havegunjoe View Post
    You are missing out on living in a free state. When you “approach” the county judge and ask him to pretty please “remove the restrictions” you might ask him where exactly in the Constitution does it say you have to go through all that crap to exercise your right to self-protection with a gun.
    I'm sure that would be the proper tack to take!
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    Quote Originally Posted by uralite View Post
    Yeah, I would avoid the Socialist Republic of Wisconsin too. They are one of 6 that don't allow a CCW, I am frightened that I have elected to temporarily go back after a prolonged period in a gun friendly state of Arizona.

    There are only three states (IL, WI, HI) that have no form of carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American Pit Bull View Post
    Yes... In free states, you do not need a permit to purchase/own handguns. Most of the people in the Walmart threads have owned and shot their carry guns for months before getting their concealed carry permits.
    It makes me laugh at the irony every time I visit my daughter in MD and I see the "Free State" motto on their license plates, after having to disarm and leave my firearms at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cl00bie View Post
    Am I missing something about the "Wal-Mart experience"?
    Heading to a busy store is simply something most folks can relate to, as a basic test of concealability and exercise of a freedom. It's irrelevant that it's Wal-Mart, or nachos for that matter, though that's become popular. It's simply a rite of passage, not a dictate on timing.

    Me, I headed to the corner burrito joint then to the mall. Same thing, more or less. I learned that nobody paid any attention, that my carry method was fine, and that there was no practical reason to not carry everywhere it's legal. Could have been anywhere.

    * And, no, you're not missing the nachos.
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