OK, I am spooked.

OK, I am spooked.

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    OK, I am spooked.

    My work day is finished and I am in my truck, in civvies, violating company policy by putting on my concealed carry rig. As soon as I am done, I hear screaming coming out of the front of the hotel and I see a group of teens (16-18) cussing and shouting to a guy. I pull my cell phone and call the hotel switchboard and I asked them to radio one of the officers to come keep an eye on the group. While I am on the phone, one of the teens whacks the guy in the face and sends him butt first on the street where he almost gets run over by a passing car. I yell at the operator that the event has escalated to a fight and to put a hurry on it. I saw my shift supervisor (also in civvies) coming out of the garage and observing the situation and then driving across the street to the melee. I get my truck going and join him and the shift officer who takes charge of the problem. The kids seeing the sudden show of force, decide to leave property. The guy has a nasty cut on his nose and is bleeding, cussing and swearing revenge, but he walks on the opposite way. My supervisor tells me that PD has been notified and they are on their way and then it dawns on me that I am packing so I ask him if he needs me for anything else and he tells me to go home.

    I pull out of the hotel and it hits me: A similar frigging scenario we were discussing here!

    Talk about coincidences
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    Hmmm... seems obvious from your post you aren't security for your employer, and even if you are you were off duty, and you did more than call 911!

    Bad Miggy! Irresponsible Miggy! You aren't a cop! You aren't a security officer! Your gun is only to protect yourself and whichever relatives you happen to like! Naughty Miggy!

    Sheesh... whatever.
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    Having a bad hair day, aren't we?
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
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    What hair? Bad scalp day, maybe.
    "I am a Soldier. I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

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    Sounds like it's harder to leave someone in need than was indicated in the similar hotel scenario discussion.

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    Perhaps, but many non LEOs and retired LEOs I know would have never left their vehicles.

    The problem--even if legal, you show your gun to cool the situation, and it does not have the desired effect--what next??????????????

    I, too, will stay in my car and be a witness.
    Keep the shotgun handy!!

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    Our other discussions were multiple beaters on a single beatee in your front yard, but you were a lone CCW. I see a few small but significant differences in Miggy's post.

    Miggy works for the hotel. Anything he does will likely fall on the hotel, not necessarily Miggy, on duty or not, he is an employee. Lawyers always go after the deepest pockets and I'll bet the hotel has deeper pockets than Miggy. As a lone responder if I do something that lands me a supeona/summons it is all on me. Miggy would likely lose his job if he used a firearm to defend someone, but that would probably be the extent of that aspect.

    Miggy had immediate and visible backup going in to the situation. As a lone reponder to my front yard I have an unknown police response time.

    If I were in Miggy's position I likely would have done the same thing. If for no other reason that to back up my supervisor.

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    At the hotel/casino I work at Miggy would have lost his job if management found out he had a gun regardless of ccw or the outcome of the situation. Thank goodness for smartcarry!

    It sucks to be a peon

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    hve is right. As I posted, it is against company policy to even have a gun in your car on company property (hopefully that should be a non-issue if we get a bill passed next session here in Florida allowing gun owners to keep guns in their cars) so yes, my butt would be off the door if the company had found out I was carrying.

    Scott is also right, I was backing up my supervisor and the officer who took the call. You do not leave your people to fend off a group just because your shift is over and it is time to go home. Two cars jumping on the curb and two ugly looking individuals getting out did what we wanted and that was to cool the situation.
    And the use gun never entered the equation. Once I got off the truck and saw the kids retreating, there was no inmediate threat level and the thought did not even enter my mind. I "realized" that I was carrying once the situation was over and only related to keeping my job.

    But what I am seeing here (I might be wrong) is that some people have a either-or response to events: Either go away or shoot your way to a solution. It seems that there is no middle. Like I said I might be wrong, but that is the impression I am getting.
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    Miggy,
    I saw my shift supervisor (also in civvies) coming out of the garage and observing the situation and then driving across the street to the melee. I get my truck going and join him and the shift officer who takes charge of the problem.
    Your Shift Officer was in streetclothes. Was he off duty as well? Common man, if your Shift Officer jumped off a cliff would you?
    one of the teens whacks the guy in the face and sends him butt first on the street where he almost gets run over by a passing car.
    You have only a CCW permit, and from what I read no one was in threat of permanent injury, nor was there a forcible felony taking place. At least nothing that can be proven.
    I know you can get another job. I just don't want to see you get arrested, or messed up. What if several of thoughts kids has a gun as well? You should know that as a Security Officer your first responsibility is your own safety. Pulse as a Security officer you should always remember to cover your a**. You can get a lawsuit form the Hotel, and or whatever kid(s) you messed up. I know how hard it is to not loose you cool sometimes, but there's way too much at stake doing this kind of job not too.

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    A little ill-considered, maybe, but not "out of line". Maybe start carrying an impact-device in your vehicle?
    http://www.whapstik.com/

    Baton classes aren't usually LE only (and you work security, so...), and generally run $50-$75. Well worth it.

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    Miggy if I may offer you another thought. I believe we as ccw holders should have a realistic expectations from our actions. I applaud your actions in supporting your coworkers and would like to think I would do the same thing. I know that often times a simple show of force or just a public audience is enough to correct bad behavior. Now heres where the realistic expectations comes in. You have a reasonable expectation if anyone sees your firearm of being terminated. It doesnt matter if you are onduty or off. Now imagine being fired for having a firearm and trying to explain your termination at your next interview. In my town and industry I would be blacklisted almost immediately. Legally speaking I would think you would be justified coming to the aid of someone outnumbered and already physically assaulted, but Im not a lawyer.

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    Miggy did the 'right' thing. He did not rush in foolishly to a situation and he did not foollishly brandish a gun. Except for the dilemma of possible getting fired for having a gun, you did right. Sometimes doing the right thing involves the wrong consequences. What I see here is that we each make a choice under circumstances that are moving faster than we can verbalize them. We strive to make intelligent, informed and considered decisions. We each balance the consequences with the action and what we see is at stake. For Miggy, the possib ility that someine would get seriously injured outweighed the possibility, for that moment, that he might get fired.
    Miggy, you were a standup guy and acted accordingly. Thank you for being so unselfish under these circumstances.
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    Miggy,
    You da man, ditto what XD40 said. You were a standup guy. That makes you o.k. in my book.

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