Training and Safety

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    Training and Safety

    Guy shot himself today at a class.

    He drew, his finger was on the trigger, the rear of the slide caught something he was wearing, the gun stopped and his hand didn't.

    He put a .40cal round through the top front of his thigh and it came out the back of his leg above his knee.

    Lucky for him is wasn't a hollowpoint and he didn't hit another student.

    Lesson: never ever forget how dangerous handguns are when you are handling them and keep your finger off the trigger!

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    Wow! Always a good reminder. Follow the rules folks and don't ever become complacent with the firepower you have in your hand. It can be very dangerous.

    thanks for sharing.
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    What was the class, if you don't mind sharing.

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    It should have been 'muscle memory' 101...
    A couple thousand more draws for that guy...although he will probably remember NOW...

    Stay armed...it's a finger thing...stay safe!
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    Nasty. Lucky he missed one of those big arteries in there.
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    i have alaways worrried about other people in the classes i take.

    I worry the something like this will happen but it will be me or another student.

    This simply reinforces the finger off trigger theory.

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    Wow - lucky it wasn't worse than it already is. Thanks for sharing.
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    once again we see that the only safety that means anything is the one between your ears...
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    If I'm in a class where we will be drawing from holsters with a live gun, I want to know personally that all the other students know and practice the 4 rules.

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    Too bad for him. Unfortunately the best training is the most realistic, which always makes it more dangerous.
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    Seems a simple rule to keep the finger off the trigger until ready to fire (but doesn't it seem a temptation and youre finger is attracted to the trigger). Takes practice to resist this.

    We did an exercise in my class where we would fire once given the command. First our finger was on the trigger and would time to fire. Second was timed with finger ABOVE the trigger under the slide. Difference was SLIGHT (maybe 1-2 tenths of a second). This gives one time to THINK and be SURE of the target than just popping the trigger.

    Hope this guy is OK. That would put a dent in your Saturday.

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    Was the person who shot himself using a Blackhawk Serpa holster?

    The firearms instructor I spent 6 hours with on Tuesday of this last week said they dislike the Serpa because your trigger finger is "doing something" as an active part of the draw stroke. Retention is great, but using your trigger finger to defeat that retention is asking for an accident was the Gist of what he told me.
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    I'm taking a course this weekend. On the site it says "NO SERPA BLACKHAWK HOLSTERS PERMITTED".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentuckycarry View Post
    I'm taking a course this weekend. On the site it says "NO SERPA BLACKHAWK HOLSTERS PERMITTED".
    Tactical Response Fighting Pistol? Or at a bare minimum Tactical Response "Something" ? ?

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    Hope he's ok and hope he learned a valuable lesson. You never know...some people are doomed to repeatedly make the same mistakes over and over.

    As to the Serpa replies...I don't like 'em either. I'm of the opinion that if you can't retain your pistol without some super-duper-wizbang retention holster...you probably can't retain it with it either and don't belong using it.
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