Student Robbed on Campus Today. School Issues This:

Student Robbed on Campus Today. School Issues This:

This is a discussion on Student Robbed on Campus Today. School Issues This: within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; (School is omitted for my personal welfare) A student was robbed at approximately 10:30 p.m., as she approached her home. Two male suspects with covered ...

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    Student Robbed on Campus Today. School Issues This:

    (School is omitted for my personal welfare)

    A student was robbed at approximately 10:30 p.m., as she approached her home. Two male suspects with covered faces drove up on a moped. One of the men grabbed her purse and they then fled south. Thankfully, the student was not harmed.

    Police are handling the investigation with assistance from the University Police Department. If anyone has information, contact Police. The Police Department reminds members of the campus community to follow these basic safety precautions:

    Personal Safety
    o Never walk alone, especially at night. Walk with friends or use the campus escort service.
    o Be alert to your surroundings and walk with confidence.
    o Walk where the sidewalks are well lit and well traveled.
    o If you feel like someone is following you, go to a populated place where people can help you and then call campus security.
    o Do not wear ear phones/ear buds when you are walking on campus.
    o Know where campus emergency phones are located.

    Residential Safety

    o Only admit your own visitors to the residence halls.
    o Make sure outside doors of residence halls shut securely behind you.
    o Insist that your resident assistant or security guard check for doors left ajar during the day and at night.
    o Do not loan your room key to anyone.
    o Always lock your apartment or dorm room even if you are going to be gone for just a few minutes. Be sure to lock your doors at night as well.
    o Have the locks changed if you ever lose the keys to your residence.
    o Leave lights or a radio on at your apartment so it looks like someone is always home.
    o Never open the door for someone you do not know.
    o Ask anyone who gives you a ride home to wait around until you have safely entered your apartment or dorm building.

    Parking Lot Safety

    o Always lock your car.
    o Place valuables in the trunk or under the seats.
    o Have your keys in hand before you leave to go to your car.
    o Have someone walk you to your car, especially at night.
    o Utilize the campus escort service.
    o Check your backseat before entering your car.


    Yay, the same crap they always say. I added the bold for things that stuck out to me. I actually have fun messing with people that have no situational awareness. Its fun jumping up and down and waving my hands like crazy as I walk 2 feet behind them and my shadow is cast over them. I have yet to have 1 person turn around and look at me. I see people all day leave class, put in their ear buds and zone out as they walk around. Doesn't matter if its 10am or 10pm.

    I too use my ear buds for my MP3 player. But I walk looking over my shoulder, never let my guard down, plus I keep a surprise.

    My buddy was actually set up for a snatch and grab while walking home from my house back to his apartment. He had a 4 block walk and half way home a guy walks out of the shadows and tried to get him to come over and help him. Needless to say, I am proud of him for listening to all my chanting of situational awareness and not falling for stupid claims. This occurred 1 block off campus as I have one of the best house locations anyone could ask for. Well, minus the riff raff that passes through all the time from the city.


    On another note: I had a buddy come through my first floor window when he was drunk. My girl and I somewhat expected him to come back to my place but we forgot that we locked the front door and of course my phone was on vibrate (like it should be). So he found the side window was still somewhat cracked because it was way to hot inside from the party we had. Well, me hearing the window opening meant coming down the stairs armed. Needless to say, he was yelling my name as loud as he could when he heard the stairs creaking under my feet. His father is a LEO who carries regularly, so he already knew the drill.

    I see I have missed alot in the past few months of me not coming on.

    Stay Safe.


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    We've had armed robberies at my school. For some reason the school can't understand why the criminal would disobey the yellow sign saying he can't bring his gun with him.

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    I don't really see anything on that list that is bad advice, it's just that the best advice (be willing to defend yourself and have the training and tools to do so) is absent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myusername View Post
    We've had armed robberies at my school. For some reason the school can't understand why the criminal would disobey the yellow sign saying he can't bring his gun with him.
    YouTube - Gun Free Zones - 1/2 Hour News Hour

    Come on, criminals pay attention to Gun Free Zones... all you have to do it hang a sign.
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    Student Robbed on Campus Today. School Issues This:
    Robbed ON campus? If robbed on campus, then why are the regular police involved? Sounds like she was robbed OFF campus.

    As noted, the advice given is good advice.
    Considering yourself to be defenseless is the first administrative step to becoming a victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    Robbed ON campus? If robbed on campus, then why are the regular police involved? Sounds like she was robbed OFF campus.

    As noted, the advice given is good advice.
    Depends on the status of campus police. Private universities generally do not have sworn/deputized officers, so they are unable to do anything off (and not much "on") campus, so anything more than a misdemeanor gets a call to city/county. State universities generally have officers sworn as State PO, with full powers of arrest/detention & pursuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myusername View Post
    We've had armed robberies at my school. For some reason the school can't understand why the criminal would disobey the yellow sign saying he can't bring his gun with him.
    Duh...................?
    Maybe they can't read?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Fastwaker View Post
    o If you feel like someone is following you, go to a populated place where people can help you and then call campus security.
    What in the world is that sound I hear as I read this post?

    Oh, it's just Lima's teeth gnashing...

    As pointed out, none of the advice is bad per se. It's just that they'll never give out any sort of advice for active defense strategies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    What in the world is that sound I hear as I read this post?

    Oh, it's just Lima's teeth gnashing...

    As pointed out, none of the advice is bad per se. It's just that they'll never give out any sort of advice for active defense strategies.
    Active defense stratagies conflict with the liberal mantra that using force is, by definition, an admission of failure.

    Talk your way out of it or run away...if you fight, you lost.

    To teach fighting is to teach failure, as they see it.

    Oh, well...I guess I'll just be a good looser...

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    A tip to reduce your chances of being burglarized when living in rented space:

    Have the locks rekeyed to not work with the master key used for the whole complex. By law, you are likely required to provide emergency access to management. Supply the manager with a key to your apartment. Make sure that the complex's master key does not work in your lock.

    I knew the manager for a 300+ unit complex and did exactly this process. I also happened to employ the guy who used to work security there. He still kept his (working) master key, long after he no longer worked there. Lord knows how many others had keys to the apartments! When the management knows that this situation exists, they have a legal-liability choice of either rekeying ALL of the units or allowing each resident to supply them with a new key. The master key is simply to make accessing the units convenient for maintenance, etc., but not legally required.

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    Assuming your school is not one of the few that allow carry(or posession for that matter), they may have a credibility problem if they tell you one of the ways to protect yourself is to carry, oh, but by the way the university doesn't allow that.
    The tips they give are fine, but I want a gun when the s#%&t hits the fan.
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    ok....two males, one MOPED?!?! I would have laughed them off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72 View Post
    Depends on the status of campus police. Private universities generally do not have sworn/deputized officers, so they are unable to do anything off (and not much "on") campus, so anything more than a misdemeanor gets a call to city/county. State universities generally have officers sworn as State PO, with full powers of arrest/detention & pursuit.
    Then the "officers" would be security and NOT police. The original post specifically mentioned the University Police Department
    Considering yourself to be defenseless is the first administrative step to becoming a victim.

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    That is the same advice I hear from campus security at University of Denver. It's a private University and the security can detain and call DPD for help on major crimes. They also warn security to not "create a perminent" record for students. I'm not sure what that clause means, but I bet it has to do with booze and pot, no weapons. They do have exemptions for shooting sports.

    Here is the quote:
    1. Endangerment. Violations of this policy include, but are not limited to:

    Any act that directly or indirectly creates a substantial risk to the safety of a person or persons and/or the University community. This includes, but is not limited to, falsely reporting an emergency and/or engaging in the unauthorized possession, use, or alteration of any University-owned emergency or safety equipment.
    Any possession and/or use of weapons, explosives, fireworks, or other objects designed and/or used to inflict injury or damage while on University premises, even if the student possesses a valid concealed weapons permit or other lawful permission to carry a weapon. This includes, but is not limited to, items which simulate such dangerous objects. The possession of non-lethal self-defense instruments (such as mace) is not prohibited; however, the reckless use of such devices may be considered a violation of this policy.

    The way this is worded would include off-duty LEOs, but I have no idea what the University would do.

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    Here is the reponse to NIU:
    Our campus safety officers, in particular, are extensively trained and have well-established procedures in place to address any instances of violence. We also have mutual aid agreements with regional law enforcement agencies, who would quickly assist us if additional personnel were needed.

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