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    Well, a special thanks to Jarhead!

    (It took a fellow Marine to get my butt in gear.)

    Looks like I'll be heading to Front Sight for a 4 day'er too. Probably wait till fall, maybe first 1/4 next year.
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    Awesome to hear. I picked up free 4 day defensive handgun passes last year when they did their website linking special. Going to take my father out with me, but I need to buy him a handgun first. He borrows all of mine.

    I really want to build two 1911s, one for each of us. Just have them done in differing colors. Then I will take my HKs as back ups just in case. Good to know to head out in the early part of the year. I never really took into consideration the fact that it will be over 100 degrees come summer.

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    do you need a full size handgun for this or would a small kahr suffice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalCompact View Post
    do you need a full size handgun for this or would a small kahr suffice?
    I was told to use what you carry. So if you carry a compact take that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalCompact View Post
    do you need a full size handgun for this or would a small kahr suffice?
    I would recommend a semi-auto. The people that had wheel guns had a disadvantage during reloads (which you will do a lot of....!).
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    Sounds awesome. I'd like to check that out.
    That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

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    Let me start by saying a few things:

    I have never attended any professional shooting school, although I am a frequent reader of shooting techniques.

    I have attended in-house law enforcement shooting schools.

    My comments, imbued with a healthy dose of opinion, imbedded and in bold...

    Quote Originally Posted by jarhead45 View Post

    This is the best permanent facility I have ever seen. You have whole families attending as well as police, Blackwater I figured they would use their own school in Moyock, NC, exclusively. Hmmm., truckdrivers, millionaires etc. My class of 40 had a airline pilot and family, 4 blackwater, 6 women, 6 LEO's, 2 truckdrivers, 3 college students, 4 contractors from Iraq and a whole buch of common folk like myself not to forget a couple of Army Rangers on there way back to the sandbox. About 300-400 total this weekend at the sight taking various courses.

    It was hot, bring a cooler with at least 6-8 16oz. bottles of water per person and one of those A-rab doo rags, and keep it wet around your neck!

    I took my SIG P-6/225. Short trigger, Meprolight sights and Nills grips, a really nice gun. I will not do that again with a SIG as it cost me some time on my failure drills.I think I would bring my EDC weapon and screw the timer. The controls are just too small and drawing and using that DA trigger on the first shot was ugly.Learn to use the EDC or get a new EDC DO NOT bring a DA/SA auto unless you want to embarres youself points wise.Is this a combat course or a competition? Only one failure all weekend and it was a Blackwater guy with a tricked out 1911. He kept getting major double feeds and jams. The best gun are those dang XD's. They have the simplest manual of arms and they just plain work. The glock guys have to remember to "trip the trigger" when setting up the various failures or they get a fault.Getting squirrelly with your trigger in the middle of a training evolution sounds awful silly to me.

    You will be performing tactical and emergency reloads in addition to clearing type 1,2 and 3 malfunctions and all are timed. Type 4 malfunctions are unclearable so go for your BUG. Tap Rack Bang GOOD. Tap Rack Click BAD.You will be shooting at 3,5,7,10 and 15 meters. You will always be drawing and firing from a concealment garment. And yes at all those distances you will be drawing and firing 2 shots to the chest area in 1.5 seconds. Slow hits beat fast misses every time. The reliable convergence of speed and accuracy takes time.Those targets turn fast. In addition you will also draw and fire one head shot into what they call the cranial occular cavity. that is a 3X5 area that extends from the eye brows to the top of the lip. And if you are real good - try that shot in 1.5 seconds from the holster at 15 meters - lemme know how you do... its a hoot.

    I personally have learned my lesson on the steal plates. I will be bringing my Commander out of retirement. Say what you will,, but the only guns out there consistently knocking those steal plates down in the 2 man shoot off were the .45's. My 9mm sucked, .40's were not consistant and the biggest surprise to me was the .357 SIG - it took a couple of shots also to knock em down. Modern designs of self defense bullets should perform reasonably well against real BGs at the 9mm level and up. To paraphrase Pat Morita, "Never been attacked by steel plate."

    The instructors are world class and so is the facility. A little thing they call Monsters Inc. and the so called fun house is a real eye opener. Clearing that fun house was a very stressful situation, very stressful .. make it real and you will really learn some stuff.

    Do they give any props to the evolving doctrine of "getting off the X?"

    The days start at 7:30 AM and end 7:30 PM. Add in some driving time and meals and you put in 4 - 12 hour days only getting @ 5 hours of sleep per night. And on the 3rd day is the night shoot and it goes till 10PM. So for your final you get even less sleep.

    They lied this is not a resort!!!!! This is work. I was never so mad in my life as these 4 days. More mad at myself but also mad at them, I kept asking where is my massage and my spa, where was my gourmet meals- gotta bring your own food. But that is why I took a few days to write this, I wanted to cool off as I was very disappointed in my performance. You will not really appreciate it untill you are away from it and you start remembering. This is what getting a CCW should really be like. Not just 8 hours of lecture on the legality and an easy shooting test. If you are going into a gunfight it better not be fair if you wanna go home. And trust me you may think yourself safe in gun handling - I will be bold here and a general statement - yer not. Take a course .. get ready , and I mean really ready for that ONE gunfight, you cannot afford to lose. I still got a long way to go. Good luck folks. Stay safe, stay concealed and remember 2 shots to the chest and one in the brain pan.I like the SHOOT TIL THEY STOP idea myself. It should work - most of the time. Thank you pards for making it this far on this ramble.
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    Ya Paramedic ... everything you noted I also believed. Till I learned. You go ahead and shoot fast, keep squeezing till they drop. Heck shoot like a LEO with LEO training, I know I did, I was an instructor. I learned a different and in my humble opinion a better way of surviving a gunfight. Bottom line kill him first and kill him fast, because he WILL BE TRYING TO KILL YOU. But try it your way, tell me how that works out. Not defending myself, or my review, but knowing what I know now I think I was training officers in outdated and less than "the absolute best" technique's for surviving a gunfight. But that was old FBI standards. I have no idea what they are doing now. Just wish I knew then what I am aware of now. 15 - 20 year old training was not doing it for me this month. As for 9mm.. personal preferance, not mine anymore. As far as the clock and competition. Time is life, If you cannot beat the clock and the BG can ... yer dead and you do not go home that day. But I still won't sell my 9mm SIG. Too purty. O' and get formal training outside your department. Your life and the life of your partner depend on it, and not everything you read works in real life. I got a bullet in my leg to prove that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    Thanks for a GREAT report.

    Some people are opening such a place within 100 miles of my house, and they offered LEO’s and former LEO’s, membership to use the range, and discounts on classes. I’ve already sent in my application.

    In Federal and state qualifying test you’re allowed 3-seconds for two shots, and 7 seconds for five shots from concealed. They also have 10 shots from two clips within 10 seconds.

    But, dropping the draw fire to 1.5 seconds; OH boy ????…. I’ll never pass!
    Same thing I said but you'd be amazed.

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    It's your choice if you want to receive other types of training or not. No shame in that. Whatever they taught that I didn't like, I didn't stick with it. My advice is to try it out and go with an open mind. Doesn't hurt to do that.

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    My son and I did this course in feb. 07. If you don't want to sweat that time of year is a good time to beat the heat. The marine is right you don't get a lot of sleep. This is a great place to hone your skills. Certificates are available on e-bay for this four day course for $99.00 dollars. We will go back and do it again.

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    Four of us took the 2 day course about 2yrs ago. Can't recall the name of the hotel but it was recommended by FS. The hotel even made box lunches to go that were picked up in the morning.Dang I wish I could recall the name of the hotel. I shot my Glock 36 and had no problems with FTF or FTE. The more mags you take the better.

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    I have to echo what Jarhead45 has said. I did the 4 day defensive handgun course the 1st weekend in May.

    There has been a lot of talk about the sales hype... While on site, there was an OPTIONAL presentation on the First Family program. I felt no pressure to 'drink the kool-aid'. I did watch it... because it was in the only air-conditioned room on site.

    I brought home a bucket full of new skills to practice, and feel more confident in weapons handling than I've ever felt before. It was amazing to watch how everyone (including ME) improved over the 4 day period. There were enough instructors so that if someone was a bit slow, they got one-on-one instruction to keep the class on pace and on schedule.

    Most every major platform was represented in the class. A lot of folks had Glocks... several had 1911's, Beretta's, XD's, Sigs, and S&W. There was one Kahr P9 and a Walther PPK. I shot my M&P 9c and it was flawless.

    After 4 days, I was able to

    Place a controlled pair (NOT double tap) COM at 15 meters from concealed draw in 1.5 seconds? You Bet!

    Move off the "X" QUICKLY to prevent becoming a bullet magnet? Yep!

    Quickly recognize and clear malfunctions while moving off the "X"? Absolutely!

    Gain additional awareness in Condition Yellow so that I might not ever get into the position where I HAVE to draw? Yes!

    The staff treated me like I was the only reason they were there. It's DEFINITELY NOT a boot camp. These folks are fierce proponents of 2A, and it has to have an impact on everyone who goes there.

    It certainly was work... not a leisure course. I was tired after 4 long days of shooting... but I enjoyed it and I learned a lot from it. A 4 day class doesn't make you an expert, but it does send you home with a clearer understanding of defensive handgun tactics along with new or improved skill set.

    I'm NOT a member, but I will be going again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jarhead45 View Post
    Ya Paramedic ... everything you noted I also believed. Till I learned. You go ahead and shoot fast, keep squeezing till they drop. Heck shoot like a LEO with LEO training, I know I did, I was an instructor. I learned a different and in my humble opinion a better way of surviving a gunfight. Bottom line kill him first and kill him fast, because he WILL BE TRYING TO KILL YOU. But try it your way, tell me how that works out. Not defending myself, or my review, but knowing what I know now I think I was training officers in outdated and less than "the absolute best" technique's for surviving a gunfight. But that was old FBI standards. I have no idea what they are doing now. Just wish I knew then what I am aware of now. 15 - 20 year old training was not doing it for me this month. As for 9mm.. personal preferance, not mine anymore. As far as the clock and competition. Time is life, If you cannot beat the clock and the BG can ... yer dead and you do not go home that day. But I still won't sell my 9mm SIG. Too purty. O' and get formal training outside your department. Your life and the life of your partner depend on it, and not everything you read works in real life. I got a bullet in my leg to prove that one.
    That's cool. Not trying to slam the training or anything like that, just a few observations and thoughts...

    By the way, have you attended any other training programs? Can you compare and contrast? Did you find anything there that didn't seem like a positive?
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    Being that I am about to be deployed, I am gonna take the defensive handgun class and the practical rifle class before I leave in a couple of months....

    Great write up...thanks for the info and insight...

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