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    The only thing Grandma did wrong was that she didn't pull the trigger and save the city money and other people sorrow in the future. The Perp probably has allready repeated offences in the past 8 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raevan View Post
    The only thing Grandma did wrong was that she didn't pull the trigger and save the city money and other people sorrow in the future. The Perp probably has allready repeated offences in the past 8 years.

    The employees had apprehended 50-year-old Willie J. Redding of Brookville--reported by the St. Petersburg Times to have previous convictions for selling drugs and dealing in stolen property--attempting to steal a VCR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalexplr View Post
    If you carry and refuse to get involved in a situation like this, you are worse than the sheeple that stand by and watched.
    So true, and so sad... I personally could not live with myself if I did nothing and someone got killed where they may have lived if I did something, and had the legal opportunity to do something... as I said, for states where such actions were illegal, they don't respect life considering they don't believe it's worth protecting.

    Also, about those castrated people, the only thing I can say about their stupidity is that they have become desensitized by violence in their communities and through the media... their minds have been weekended and warped over decades of faulty programing... this is only the natural end result, people who will see someone stabbed, and when a good Samaritans comes to save them with a firearm, they scorn her because it upset their perverted world view that guns are evil, and only bad people use guns. These days, even the police are deionized by these perverts, why do you think the morons over at Berkly and code pink protested marine recruiting stations yet having no problem with porn theaters are portrayer's of filth? For the same reason the media morons scorned the brave grand mother who saved lives with a legally owned gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    In many states where concealed weapons are legal, defense of a third person is justifiable.
    +1 for Granny. (Assuming she had a safe line of fire and all that.)

    Not to hijack the thread, but I am curious if anybody can cite a statute from a particular state that would prohibit one from using lethal force in defense of others. My understanding is that, if it would be legal for person A to use lethal force in self-defense, then it is always legal for person B to use lethal force in defense of person A...
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    Good for Granny.

    "She did what was right not what was smart. Such a shame there is even a question here. Tells you how far we have slid as a society."

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    I think I would have done the same thing as Granny. Seeing 2 people attacked with a knife should be grounds enough for taking action. However, I can't necessarily agree with the 2 Wal-mart employees that allowed themselves to get cut. I mean, is $6. an hour worth it? Wal-mart is a pretty darn big store. They could have just let the guy go and let the cops deal with it. If the BG was slashing in an attempt to get away, I say let him go. If he was actively chasing and slashing the employees, then I say Granny did what was right. This scenario is kind of tricky. I find it hard to believe that any retail entity would require it's loss prevention employees to risk life and limb over a VCR.

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    This just goes to show you that the people interviewed that were "scared" of a grandmother wielding a WEAPON to stop a WEAPON wielding CRIMINAL _HURTING_ people don't use logic at ALL in their lives.

    They walk around with no logic on an everyday basis. I am very scared of these people.

    This woman who said she'd of died of a heart attack in line if her kids were there... So otherwise if no gun was pulled she would of gotten out popcorn and been rooting for the walmart employees to get stabbed to death?

    I am so confused by this type of reaction, but I think its just people not really thinking rationally. They are thinking with their deep-seated fear of guns, and not thinking of both people in the situation using a weapon. One was using a weapon, whether it was a knife, gun, or his fists to assault and steal. The other was using a weapon, whether it was her knife, guns, voice, fists or whatever to stop a violent crime.

    I mean really..

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    I really don't know what to say. I mean I have alot to say here about this, but I am too steamed. I honestly would have to really stop and think about it or I'll just rant. For now, I just have to say that old story or not I am glad that no one got hurt and she didn't have to resort to firing the weapon, and that I am sick of people bitching when good people, soldiers, firemen, police, etc protect them or rescue them. If you don't like how they do it, do it your own self! Maybe they should modify do not revive regulations to do not assist in any way jackasses that don't want help because they are stupid DNAIAWJ? Sorry, like I said, I should have not posted.

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    Granny done good. Only thing I criticize is her wording, though the quote maybe totally inaccurate. But she got the action stopped, even without further bloodshed, which is always preferable.

    As for the HCI , well, what do we expect? The statement is total BS, Granny didn't escalate anything, she stopped (ie: ended) the situation. May have even saved lives. Almost certainly saved further injury. But HCI is hard core, make no mistake, they are Freedom's enemy. They are to be discredited and occupied at every opportunity. Tell others of their lies, when they come to the door, engage them in long conversation pretending you are interested-keeps them from recruiting more support. Request their literature (uses their resources). Send back the postage paid contribution envelopes empty (costs them money).

    As to the lady , she is our quarry. Don't care what her type think? Better start. They vote. People like that can again empower the government to take away our rights. It is wrong minded sheep like her that we need to reach, to educate, to sway, in order to preserve our aFreedom and our very way of life. We need to win some hearts and minds! One at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    I'll take a slightly diffrent stance here, was grandma keeping the 21' rule in mind before her 'smoke-wagon' cleared leather(purse)? I'll bet not.

    If said BG had already cut a couple employees then I'm gonna assume deadly force is authorized......Armed help is great if your ready to go the next step with the knife-wielding, shoplifting BG.

    Having said that, I'm glad it turned out good for all involved and that Grandma had the intestinal fortitude to step in and stop any further physical injury (or worse) to Wally-Worlds valued loss-prevention assoiciates and it's patrons.
    If she witnessed the slashing then she witnessed two counts of attempted murder. I think that she could have just drawn and fired and been totally OK w/the law, especially since she was within the 21' distance.

    I'm really POed that an attempted murderer x2 was let out on only $3,000.00 bail. That's outrageous.
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    She must have had that "look"... you know, the one woman can give us... and he knew to drop the knife. LMAO.

    I'm for her. She prevented further consequences from the guy with the knife.


    But this stuff (below quotes) ... tick me off. She was the GOOD GUY, guy with KNIFE is BAD GUY... get it straight you nimrods. What did they have to fear from her ??

    'We want to keep our stores a pleasant place to shop, so we would never encourage our customers to arm themselves,' said Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams. ...

    "Shopper Lorinda Smith, who was in the candy aisle during the confrontation, said Tuesday that she was more frightened by Suter's gun then the man's knife.

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    Whats the 21 rule?

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    Without reading every post, but enough to see too many post saying she should not have gotten involved, I could not disagree more. Had she simply stood aside and allowed this to continue it is very possible that an employee could have been killed, could you live with that decision had it been you? As some of my other Texas friends have said... I don't see any other choice but to get involved and stop the threat. This time it did not take a round being fired, but the next time it could, and it could be you... we had better know what we would do before that time arrives.
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    CT is pretty liberal, but deadly force is authorized in the defense of others from the use of deadly force or great bodily harm. Good for granny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKtexas View Post
    Whats the 21 rule?
    21 feet is considered the distance that a bad guy (holding a knife, or other non-gun deadly weapon) could run in the several seconds it takes for you to draw your handgun and fire. Think of it as a general safe zone you want to keep bad guys out of...it is not a concrete number, but is useful for training purposes.

    To respond to the original post, no, this grandma did nothing wrong. We need more people in this world like her!
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