Seattle Mayor to issue BAN on concealed weapons/Victim speaks out against ban: Merged

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzdog View Post
    No jail for Folklife shooter - Seattle PI Oddly, his attorney, Kearney Lee Hammer, seemed to on the prosecution's side
    Not that odd considering he is probably DAC a Seattle lawyer. I think he really got screwed as I am tending to believe he was trying to keep his gun from being taken away by that group of freaks who saw the gun and tried to play hero thinking it was illegal to carry a gun. Yes they are that stupid, you'd have to see this group to really understand. I am convinced that the reason this has been so distorted is because it gives the media and nickels an angle to further their anti self defense agenda. Sadly it is working. A gun owner trying to hold onto his gun is being called an idiot, even here and others see that as a good reason to disarm all gun owners in public parks. After all how many other drug addicted nut jobs have been given gun permits. Never mind that there never was any evidence of mental illness or drug abuse
    Abort the Obamanation not the Constitution

    Those who would, deny, require permit, license, certification, or authorization for me to bear arms are as vile, dangerous & evil as those who would molest, abuse, assault, rape or murder my family

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    Quote Originally Posted by matiki View Post
    Luckily some of our Representatives are taking notice:

    WA lawmakers question plans for Seattle gun ban

    Hopefully our AG will honestly report on the pending violation of our State Constitution and State pre-emption on right to carry.
    And the verdict is in...

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    Everytime I hear someone using an argument that more laws and bans are needed because of something ILLEGALLY committed such as a shooting... it just boggles my mind.

    I mean seriously come on. How do people like this even make it to Mayor? They need a LOGIC test to see if you're just really stupid before you can even run for office.

    I just wonder how people come to these conclusions. Im trying to follow their train of thought...

    Criminals are CRIMINALS for a reason. They don't give the slightest crap about the law. More laws don't make criminals stop breaking the law.

    What don't people get?

    -rant-

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzdog View Post
    And the verdict is in...
    And yet: Mayor moves forward on gun ban plan.

    -john

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzdog View Post
    Comments are interesting this time, not as supportive as in the past.
    "Wise people learn when they can; fools learn when they must." - The Duke of Wellington

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    Thumbs down And here we go... King Nickels decrees gun ban in december

    Nickels expects December start to city gun ban

    Seattle Post-Intelligencer


    Nickels expects December start to city gun ban

    Last updated November 21, 2008 9:50 p.m. PT

    By LEVI PULKKINEN
    P-I REPORTER

    Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels expects to introduce a city rule change in December that would ban all guns from city buildings and parks, despite objections from state officials and gun-rights advocates.

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    A public hearing on the proposed city gun restrictions will be held at 6:30 p.m. Dec. 15 at City Hall. Written comments can be submitted at seattle.gov/firearmsrule

    City staff released a draft of the proposed change to reporters Friday, which shows a change in line with statements Nickels made following a nonfatal shooting at the Northwest Folklife Festival in May.

    The administrative change, which would not come to a City Council vote, would ban concealed weapons from city-owned property. Roads, sidewalks and most parking areas would not be included.

    In October, the state Attorney General's Office issued an opinion asserting the mayor's proposed restrictions would violate state law blocking cities from enacting gun rules. The move also caught the attention of gun-rights advocates, who see it as an attempt by Nickels to pave the way for additional prohibitions.

    Regina LaBelle, legal counsel to the mayor, said the city believes it already has the legal authority to enforce the restriction, which could result in criminal trespass citations for those who repeatedly violate the rule. Still, she said, the city will be asking the Legislature to "clarify" state law during the next legislative session.

    "There are a lot of other cities around the state that have demonstrated a desire for their safety in parks and buildings," LaBelle said. The rule, added, "is about trying to reduce the number of guns in circulation."

    In addition to the restriction, Nickels intends to formalize restrictions already in place on gun possession at large city-permitted events. For several months, city leasing agents have required that event organizers agree to prohibit gun-toting partygoers from entering, even if the event is on a city street.

    The mayor's efforts have already drawn complaints from gun-rights groups, including the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation.

    Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb said attorneys for the group have filed a letter with the city objecting to the move. A lawsuit would likely have to wait until the city takes action.

    Contrary to the mayor's view, Gottlieb said state law clearly prohibits cities from pre-empting state gun law. Allowing cities to do so, he said, would create a morass of confusing regulations.

    "The mayor is beating his chest trying to make a statement that he's anti-gun," Gottlieb said. "The mayor and violent criminals in this case have something in common this time -- neither of them have any respect for the law."

    Washington Ceasefire President Ralph Fascitelli disagreed, asserting, as the city has, that a 2006 state Supreme Court decision shows that cities can regulate gun carrying when the city is acting as a landlord.

    "We think (Nickels) has done the best job possible, and we're excited that he's willing to put his neck on the line for this. This is a common sense law that can really protect people."

    Nickels has become something of a rising star in the gun-control movement, having joined in several initiatives through the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition and organized a 2007 statewide summit on gun violence. In May, he was recognized as Washington Ceasefire's civic leader of the year.

    P-I reporter Levi Pulkkinen can be reached at 206-448-8348 or levipulkkinen@seattlepi.com.

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