June 10th, 2008 05:55 AM
Send an e-mail today to the US Humane Society
Ran across this on another forum. Let's fill their inbox people!
June 10th, 2008 05:59 AM
Our national parks are among the few remaining safe havens for wildlife. However, park rangers are struggling to stay one step ahead of the poachers. In a reckless about-face on the issue triggered by pressure from the radical leaders of the National Rifle Association (NRA), the National Park Service is considering a change in the law that would allow park visitors to carry loaded weapons in national parks. Please speak out to keep wildlife safe.
The illegal killing of wildlife in the United States has reached epidemic proportions. Wildlife officials estimate that for every wild animal hunted legally -- tens of millions of animals per year -- another is killed illegally. And with scarce wildlife enforcement resources and countless acres of open land, only a handful of poachers are caught and punished for their crimes.
Allowing loaded weapons will give cover to poachers who would take aim at park wildlife. Currently, the presence of a loaded weapon is the main clue available for rangers in discovering and identifying poachers.
Help park rangers protect wildlife and stop the NRA's latest assault on America's wildlife. Send a message to government officials and ask that they keep loaded weapons out of national parks. Please tell your friends and family how they can help, too.
The government is only accepting comments until the end of the month, so please take action now. Thank you for all you do for animals!
President & CEO
The Humane Society of the United States
the presence of a loaded weapon is the main clue available for rangers in discovering and identifying poachers.
I thought killing game out of season or without a license would have been a better clue.
June 10th, 2008 10:39 AM
Please watch sending an email through the links of this site. They have their system setup so that you can add test to the message you are sending but there is a paragraph that is locked in. My guess is only the first few lines of the message will be read not the portion we write that explains why they should allow conceal carry. Just an FYI
On a side note, how does carrying a weapon make me poacher? Does driving a car make me a drunk driver? because i own a saw does that mean i will clear cut forest?
June 10th, 2008 10:40 AM
Thank you for drawing my attention to this issue, Spanky Pacelle.
Dear Ms. Grey,
Having grown up in Southwestern Colorado and enjoyed the many parks throughout the state, and as I currently enjoy the recreational opportunities afforded by the state of Oklahoma, I take some issue with the juvenile and alarmist posturing of Mr. Wayne Pacelle of the Humane Society on the issue of allowing legal carry of firearms in the National Parks.
Recognizing the responsibilities and risks faced by the Park Service in providing for the welfare of both the flora and fauna of our national resources as well as the welfare of not infrequently inept and unprepared visitors, I can understand reluctance on the part of the Service to allow open or concealed carry of firearms in the Parks. However, equating concealed carry with poaching is fear-mongering of the worst sort; akin to equating day-care workers with child-abusers.
Having experience with concealed carry, and experience meeting both poachers and drug cultivators in the National Forests, I would strongly urge you to support the responsible citizens of the respective states who comply with higher standards of training and criminal background checks than most any of your other visitors (other than vacationing Military and Police.) Allowing these citizens to ensure their individual welfare will decrease both the burden on the Service, and may in some measure decrease the occasional violent criminal behavior exhibited by some persons, if the experience of shall-issue states is any indication.
My sincere thanks for your responsible, reasonable, consideration of this issue.
Quite right, Pony. I went directly to Fish & Wildlife's site.
June 10th, 2008 11:14 AM
We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding ...One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding.
- Animal People News (May 1, 1993)
We would be foolish and silly not to unite with people in the public health sector, the environmental community, [and] unions, to try to challenge corporate agriculture.
- “Animal Rights 2002” convention (July 1, 2002)
If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would.
- Associated Press (December 30, 1991)
Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting.
- Bozeman (MT) Daily Chronicle (October 8, 1991)
We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States ... We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.
- Full Cry magazine (October 1, 1990)
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
June 10th, 2008 11:32 PM
They also do not allow CC at their facilities here. I asked them why, and they couldn't give an answer.
Ok.. now who the hell would poach animals with a 9mm handgun ?? Let's see , the first clues may be.... uh, hand gun.... uh , rifle.... handgun... rifle. The rifle is the long one, used by poachers .... LOL.
June 11th, 2008 12:35 AM
These people......... I mean what can you say?
Originally Posted by Miggy
These country is spilling over with stupid!
GUN CONTROL= I WANT TO BE THE ONE IN CONTROL OF THE GUN
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
June 11th, 2008 02:58 AM
Hmm...I've had a bad taste left in my mouth by the Humane Society a while back when adopting a pet. This takes my distaste a step further
I am sworn to protect the Constitution of the U.S.A. from all threats both foreign and domestic.
June 11th, 2008 10:15 AM
Wow. I mean, just wow. Last I checked, this was a forum dedicated to concealed carry, not hunting. Do you think it is quite possible there are people here on this forum that do not agree with the needless taking of life?
Originally Posted by cdwolf
I, for one, am a HUGE fan of concealed carry, but do not believe in hunting. There are very good reasons for my beliefs and none of them are stupid, nor am I. I happen to agree with Mr. Pacelle on many of his points, but not the one concerning concealed carry in national parks.
Rob72's letter was spot-on. Good one!
June 11th, 2008 10:30 AM
Tactical i told my self i would not respond to your post but then again i never listen to anyone, including my self. I actually am in agreement with you i would never hunt/kill to needlessly take a life. but i do hunt and kill for meat. I am not sure if this is in your realm of needless or not, if it is I will respectfully disagree. As some of us do hunt ethically and respect the animals that we do take. However i would never call someone stupid for disagreeing with my view point, i just wouldn't take them hunting with me :)
June 11th, 2008 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by GOPony
Tactical....I assume you are a vegetarian and don't eat any meat or fish. (If not than you're just paying someone else to do your dirty work)
I respect everyone's opinion and values. Some just aren't cut out for hunting, or haven't been exposed to it. And that's fine as long as they don't trample on the rights and traditions of the rest of us.
Just because someone has a CCW doesn't make them more likely to be a poacher, IMO. This poaching issue is just being used as an avenue by the antis to make more laws against our 2A rights to carry.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick.
June 11th, 2008 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by Duisburg
We adopted a dog and had to pay quite a bit for expenses incurred since the dog was left there. Ever since then we've been solicited for donations several times a year. A year later a neighborhood stray had kittens in my shed. I called the Humane Society to arrange a delivery only to find it would cost me a $25 (donation) per cat. I ended up finding homes for all of them that didn't cost me anything.
Of course this cat hung around the neighborhood constantly having kittens but they wouldn't do anything about it. Luckily our neighbor was the chief of police and he called them up and told them to get their butts down right away to pick up the strays.
Somehow these guys are non-profit.
June 11th, 2008 10:52 AM
please don't confuse the US humane society, with this fringe group that calls themselves the 'The Humane Society of the United States'....they are not the same group, nor do they save puppies and kitties for adoption...
they are a PETA type organization with a lying name, so people are confused as to who they really are.
--people ask why I carry, and I show them this picture. I think it says it all.--
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June 11th, 2008 11:06 AM
You are correct, I am actually VEGAN which means I don't eat any animal products at all. There is no dirty work.
Originally Posted by youngda9
I have been exposed to hunting, and am just against it. And you don't hunt for meat because you need it, you hunt for meat because you want it.
Want and need are two separate things. However, I fear we are getting quite off-topic, so I will save the moderators the post and end this part of the discussion here.
The HSUS is clearly unclear on what is at stake here, I think we should start an email campaign to help set them straight. I don't know how to contact Pacelle directly, so I sent the following email to his blog editor:
I'm sure there are some here that are much better with words than I. Sometimes the best way to make an ally is to educate them in the area. Maybe it would not help, but it's worth an email.
Hello, I am a strict Vegan and an animal lover in a big way. My wife and I have become contributing members at Peta, and possibly the Humane Society as well (she take care of all of this so I'm not sure). I just wanted to contact Mr. Pacelle and give him a little insight into an issue he has taken a strong stance against: Concealed Carry of firearms in National Parks.
I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm. Not only am I a strong animal-rights proponent, I also believe in Human-rights. The right to defend one's self and family from a violent and potentially lethal threat is God-given. I disagree with his assertion that allowing those with CCW permits to carry our handguns into national forests will endanger more animals. We do not carry handguns for this purpose. We do not wish to lose our right to self-defense by committing a crime with our firearm. We are amongst the most law-abiding citizens in the country!
This change in policy would not, in fact, allow just anyone to carry a gun into national parks. Mr. Pacelle's comment is alarmist, and he clearly lacks information in the arena of concealed carry. I would sincerely appreciate an audience with Mr. Pacelle regarding this issue as it is one of UTMOST importance to not only myself, but surely to many other animal lovers as well. After all, how would Wayne feel if I was murdered in a national forest, and my two dogs were left with nobody to care for them?
June 11th, 2008 11:31 AM
MMmmmm this topic has me thinking about the venison backstraps I have in the freezer along with some tasty Canada black bear steaks. Going to be a good dinner tonight.
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