An Odd Viewpoint

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    W/the exception of the traffic tickets I used to get when I was much younger, my past 'contacts' w/LEOs have all been way positive.

    My son-in-law is a LEO in NJ. Two of my best friends are LEOs (I took my Colo CCW course from one and continue to take other firearms training from him. He has taken me from being an OK bullseye shooter to a very good defensive shooter.)

    I took my Utah CCW course from a civilian instructor who was a Gunsite grad and he too was excellent. But I liked the training I received from my LEO friend just a bit more b/c he was able to impart a view from the LE side of things and he sure knew about criminal situations.
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    Generally it comes from unquestioned assumptions -- they aren't entirely unreasonable, as you can generally assume a police officer has had some sort of professional training...

    But it is frustrating to know people who assume that a police officer will keep them 100% safe, and think anybody who take his own precautions is a crazy, paranoid fellow.
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    I have a lot of faith in our law enforcement personnel, but it's totally unrealistic to believe that they will be their when you need them most... The biggest argument the antis keep bringing up, is the lame belief that all you have to do is call 911 and wait, and that's good enough for "protection." Most of these antis don't believe in any concept of personal protection, they don't even believe a women should fight back a rapist etc, and what's sad is that many claim to be "feminists."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geds View Post
    The cop on the left has a really good grip on that gun....
    And he's the only one who is actually on target.
    The other two will have a POA that is left (2) and high (3) of their intended mark/target.

    Also the other two by appearances alone appear to be untrained as based on the positioning of their fingers overly deep onto the trigger.
    So for me with that if the other two were to some degree 'trained' as well the lest disconcerting for me would be the cop as based on his appearance, actions, and supposed degree of trained restraint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJake View Post
    Citizens are an unknown. They may be far better prepared, trained, and safe with firearms, it is just harder to determine that without knowing the person really well. A lot of people think that they know a lot about weapons, and firearms self defense, when in fact that really don't.
    That really wasn't the question I asked. I'm not talking about a random unknown citizen, I'm talking about people who know someone who carries concealed.

    These are people you see in your neighborhood, work with, go to church with. These people are not unknowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dang.45 View Post
    I think most people conflate the notion that "you can trust 'the police'" with the notion that "you can trust this particular police officer"
    That was one of the reasons that I gave a little history before I asked the question. I generally trust and respect the police. I expect them to deal with me in a fair and reasonable manner. I have had good experiences with police officers I've met. This is not a dig at any officer of the law. The question is more a psychological one. And example is a woman who is comfortable being escorted by an armed police officer, but is not comfortable being escorted by an armed boyfriend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Of these three images which is most disconcerting for you and why?



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    Question on the Smith and Wesson, you have a Model 610 chambered for .357 and not 10mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJake View Post
    Here is the thing, cops have received standardized training(many weeks worth) on firearms, and they receive a good amount of follow up training. Cops also carry a gun nearly everyday. The receive training on proper use of force and apply it on many occasions. Mostly cops are better trained than the general public and should be granted a certain amount of respect and trust. You know that if someone is a cop, they have received some quality instruction, and have passed qualifications and tests relating to firearms.
    That, unfortunately, is not universally true. There's /thousands/ of different police forces. Nothing, either good or bad, can be said of all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Of these three images which is most disconcerting for you and why?


    Notice how much bigger the barrel on the one on the left seems to be? Looks almost like a 12 ga from that point of view.

    My cousin was a bank manager when it got robbed. The police asked for a description of the robber. He said .38 caliber chrome Smith & Wesson revolver. The police said no, the robber. He said I didn't see anything but the gun and it had a barrel that big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD View Post
    Question on the Smith and Wesson, you have a Model 610 chambered for .357 and not 10mm?
    I'm 100% sure of the chambering. I'm not 100% sure of the model number.
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    It should be stamped inside the crane.
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    They many not be unknown, but their training with firearms very well may be. But, I'm with you on this one. I think that a lot of private citizens are better prepared. However I think in general police officers are safe and prepared.

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    Fair one, about there being multiple police departments. I can't speak for every department, just my observations of different departments and people I have met in the last eight years of police work. I certainly haven't met all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD View Post
    It should be stamped inside the crane.
    Says Model 66-2. And thanks for the tip.
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