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This is a discussion on South Carolinaaaaaaaa within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; The GOA and Grassroots SC both were pushing for the House version of the bill, NOT the senate version. Unfortunately the Senate version passed. My ...

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    The GOA and Grassroots SC both were pushing for the House version of the bill, NOT the senate version. Unfortunately the Senate version passed. My understanding is that the language used didn't actually say what everyone was led to believe it actually meant. It's not the good news for permit holders that everyone thinks it is.

    "June 4th, 2008:
    Rep. Delleney (author of H. 3212) told GrassRoots leaders that the House conference committee has signed off on the Senate version of H. 3212.

    GrassRoots sent out an Action Alert asking everyone to contact their Representatives and ask them to reject the conference committee's recommendation to accept the Senate version of H. 3212.


    May 22nd, 2008:
    GrassRoots sent out an Action Alert asking everyone to contact their Senators and insist they pass the House version of H. 3212 this session. "

    More info here:
    Bill History - H. 3212


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vtxdpm View Post
    The GOA and Grassroots SC both were pushing for the House version of the bill, NOT the senate version. Unfortunately the Senate version passed. My understanding is that the language used didn't actually say what everyone was led to believe it actually meant. It's not the good news for permit holders that everyone thinks it is.

    "June 4th, 2008:
    Rep. Delleney (author of H. 3212) told GrassRoots leaders that the House conference committee has signed off on the Senate version of H. 3212.

    GrassRoots sent out an Action Alert asking everyone to contact their Representatives and ask them to reject the conference committee's recommendation to accept the Senate version of H. 3212.


    May 22nd, 2008:
    GrassRoots sent out an Action Alert asking everyone to contact their Senators and insist they pass the House version of H. 3212 this session. "

    More info here:
    Bill History - H. 3212
    The history is a little old...what's in the proposed law for FL resident permit holders? Is CCW going to be OK for a FL permit holder in SC or not?
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    What kept FL from SC or vice versa? Does FL not mandate background & instruction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyboyLDB View Post
    What kept FL from SC or vice versa? Does FL not mandate background & instruction?
    From the bill's history...

    For example, SLED does not allow reciprocity with Florida because Florida’s CWP law does not specifically state former felons can not get a Florida CWP. GrassRoots pointed out to SLED that federal law makes it illegal for former felons to possess any firearm, and that states may not grant privileges that are contrary to federal law because federal law is the supreme law of the entire country. But, SLED feels they must protect South Carolina people from all of those former felons in Florida who will get Florida CWPs and then travel to South Carolina to shoot people here.

    Brilliant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    From the bill's history...

    For example, SLED does not allow reciprocity with Florida because Florida’s CWP law does not specifically state former felons can not get a Florida CWP. GrassRoots pointed out to SLED that federal law makes it illegal for former felons to possess any firearm, and that states may not grant privileges that are contrary to federal law because federal law is the supreme law of the entire country. But, SLED feels they must protect South Carolina people from all of those former felons in Florida who will get Florida CWPs and then travel to South Carolina to shoot people here.

    Brilliant...

    This is one of at least three reasons I have heard from some pretty reliable sources. The others are that FL did not require actual range time as part of the training. I understand that now you are required to fire at least one round in the presence of the instructor.

    Another reason that I have heard was that FL did not have a statewide database of CWP holders available 24 hours a day.

    All three of these reasons you can take for what they are worth and that is "I heard it on the Internet". The one about not forbiding felons is the least likely one in my opinion but there were several differences.

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    Just got this info from a newsgroup I am subscribed to. Looks like some are still trying to amend it to be more inclusive - like a driver's license. I just saw that is is being introduced by Sen. Vitter (R-LA), but "driver's license-like" acceptance would be great. Of course, the ideal would be nothing required except the Constitution, but there ya go:

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
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    Wednesday, June 18, 2008

    Senator David Vitter (R-LA) is planning to introduce a concealed carry reciprocity bill next week.

    Senator Vitter had been working closely with Gun Owners of America to draft and file a reciprocity amendment a few weeks ago, but that amendment, unfortunately, never saw the light of day -- thanks to powerful opponents inside the Senate.

    However, Sen. Vitter has continued undaunted and last week sent a Dear Colleague letter to his fellow senators, asking them to cosponsor his forthcoming bill, the "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act."

    The Vitter bill treats concealed carry permits much the same as drivers' licenses, where one state's license is recognized in all other states.

    In addressing the matter of reciprocity, the first concern of GOA and Sen. Vitter is that it be done constitutionally and that it respects states' rights.

    Unlike another senate reciprocity measure, S. 388, Vitter's bill does not establish "national standards" for concealed carry. It simply says that states that allow concealed carry must recognize the CCW permits of other states.

    Vitter's bill also respects the rights of states that allow concealed carry without a permit. Citizens of Vermont and non-license holders in Alaska are allowed to carry concealed without a permit. Under the Vitter bill, these states would be recognized in the same manner as states that do issue permits.

    States that do not allow concealed carry at all are not forced, under the Vitter bill, to recognize out-of-state permits. There are currently two such states, Illinois and Wisconsin. While it is deplorable that these states refuse to trust their citizens with firearms, this is an issue that has to be dealt with at the state level.

    Citizens should not be forced to sacrifice their right to self-defense at the state line. The Vitter bill will allow more Americans to defend themselves away from their home state.

    Action: Please urge your two Senators to become original cosponsors of the Vitter "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act." You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
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    From the what its worth file.

    Ritchie : THE SOUTH CAROLINA SENATE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS

    Columbia, SC - The South Carolina Senate closed the regular session today still debating tough issues. In the waning moments of the session the Senate brokered an agreement on the concealed weapons reciprocity bill (H.3212), which expands the number of states recognizing South Carolina’s concealed weapons permits to at least 27.
    Now to see if SLED follows up on thier promise.

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