June 18th, 2008 11:42 AM
From NRA-ILA: Utah Non-Resident Permits Under Scruntiny
Lawmakers to Discuss State Concealed Firearm Permit Policy
Jun 17, 2008 by Eric Ray
McCoy to Run Bill Banning Non-Utah Residents From Applying
(KCPW News) Representatives from the Utah Department of Public Safety can expect to hear some very pointed questions from lawmakers about concealed firearm permits during tomorrow's Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Interim Committee meeting.
"Can you quantify the benefits to Utah citizens and taxpayers of continuing to issue concealed weapons permits to people from outside of Utah? That's really what it comes down to. When we make a decision about whether or not to maintain a particular program or practice in the state of Utah, what we do is weigh the costs vs. the benefits," says Democratic Senator Scott McCoy of Salt Lake County.
McCoy says the practice of issuing concealed firearm permits to non-Utah residents raises several concerns. One is an issue of public safety. McCoy says once a permit is issued to a non-resident, the state lacks the resources to make sure those people remain legally eligible to hold the permit. The other concern is fiscal. McCoy says the cost of performing the necessary background checks is using resources better spent elsewhere.
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Lawmakers to Discuss State Concealed Firearm Permit Policy - KCPW
I don't have such a permit, but for those of you who do....
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June 18th, 2008 01:55 PM
I hold a non-resident Utah license, and I've often wondered the same thing...except for the $60 the state gets, why would they issues them? I got it only for carry into Nevada, since they don't recognize Arizona's because we don't have a photo on ours.
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June 18th, 2008 06:21 PM
Hopefully in time there will be enough reciprocity that people won't be forced to get these out of state permits in order to carry in a state other than Utah.
"The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree..."
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June 18th, 2008 06:48 PM
It is a revenue machine for UT, and it increases the likelyhood of people from other states going to UT.
June 18th, 2008 07:01 PM
Does fee cover costs?
I just renewed my Utah non-resident permit, and the cost was only $10. I can't imagine that a fee that modest covers their costs.
June 18th, 2008 09:08 PM
It seems to me that a simple study of supply and demand would have them significantly raising prices for non-residents. Demand would reduce and profitability would skyrocket. Those of us that really want them would pay. They could fund other Utah programs with it.
June 18th, 2008 10:51 PM
The state of Utah is very reasonable when it comes to their CCW application fee. I think increasing the price will settle this. They're only charging $65.25. If they make the fee in line with the other states, they can make some money. It's only fair. I have no problem with it.
Originally Posted by MitchellCT
June 19th, 2008 02:40 PM
UT CCW permits under scrutiny
I didn't see this posted anywhere. If its a repost sorry
ksl.com - Utah's concealed-weapons permit under scrutiny
Utah's concealed-weapons permit under scrutiny
June 18th, 2008 @ 5:42pm
Richard Piatt reporting
Utah is on track to grant more than 40,000 concealed-weapons permits this year; that's way up from about 28,000 last year.
And so far this year, nearly half were granted to out-of-state residents. So what is the next step? As you can imagine, there is a sharp difference of opinion about this matter. One democratic senator says this is a matter of public safety. More conservative lawmakers say there is no problem.
Utah's concealed-weapons permits are among the least expensive and widely recognized in the nation. And to get one, out-of-state residents don't even have to set foot in the state. Today, state law enforcement officials say they're being overwhelmed by demand for the permits. Richard Townsend, with the Department of Public Safety, said, "We are having a very difficult time administering the out-of-state component to this issue."
Gov. Jon Huntsman has recently asked the Department of Public safety to seek clarification of the law, but is it working? Is it a good idea? It was exclusively democrat lawmakers asking those questions at a legislative meeting. In particular: application of rigorous background checks for gun permit applicants. Sen. Scott McCoy, D-Salt Lake City, said, "That same process that doesn't exist for any permit that leaves the state of Utah. And goes to a resident that isn't a resident of the state of Utah."
Dee Rowland, with the Gun Violence Prevention Center, said, "Utah residents have a daily background check, I think that's good, I think until we can do that kind of thing with out-of-state permits, we are taking a great risk with other people's lives."
Defenders of gun owners' rights say Utah's law and permit system is working so well, in fact, that it's an example for other states. The majority of this committee hinted that future legislation on the issue is premature.
Clark Aposhian, with the Utah Shooting Sports Council, said, "We have yet to see a problem, let alone a pattern of problems with people being issued permits in other states. The ability to defend oneself should not stop at the border of a state."
The bottom line for everyone is safety. But there is a philosophical difference between the two sides about what that means when it comes to firearms, who carries them and how they're carried.
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