This is a discussion on Had to give up a box of ammo at the airport within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Supertac45 A positive outlook. Always look on the bwight soid of loif ......
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The ammo wasn't 9mm?
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You could carry you're ammo in a manner which became popular in prison but I think I'd just buy a box at my new location
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I had to ship my new SA EMP back to Springfield in IL for some warranty work (FTE unfired rounds) the other day, and they emailed me a FEDEX Express shipping label. I put the EMP in its hard-sided case and took it to a FEDEX Kinko's store.
I told the young lady it was a firearm, and she opened the box and said "I think it's supposed to be disassembled. Are you a dealer?" Fortunately, one of the more seasoned employees handed her a laminated sheet with instructions for shipping firearms, and an unloaded but assembled firearm in the original box with foam inserts (so it doesn't move around) was authorized. They just had to put the case in an unmarked outer cardboard box and it was on its way. It was a minute or 2 after the 6pm cutoff, but it was shipped and delivered to SA by 1038 the next morning.
Clinging to guns and God in PA...
I would call up one of the reps at Delta, the worst that can happen is that you could get your phone tapped, be added to the no-fly list and being smuggled into detention centers without rights...
did you go through the full body scanner that they have out these days? Atleast they haven't started rounding up law abiding citizens and taking them off to "happy" camps ... yet
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Those who would, deny, require permit, license, certification, or authorization for me to bear arms are as vile, dangerous & evil as those who would molest, abuse, assault, rape or murder my family
Me, Imy attitude is screw the rest of the line. I would have the bimbo get her supervisor over and discuss it eith them. I would also write down her name (and the supervisor's should they go along with the agent), and let them know that will most likely be collecting unemployment very soon. I just don't tolerate BS. Definitely weite the corporate office, and see if you can get your money back. Save the letter that you get (regardles of whether or not they send you a check, the letter will be very apologetic), and take it with you the next time you fly. I have named my approach, "The Power of Positive Bitching!" (Mods, I hope this very mild expletive doesn't break any rules, if so, I'm sorry!)
I flew last month from Knoxville to Phoenix. In Knoxville I declared an unloaded firearm and the agent asked me to open the suitcase so she could see the case the gun was in. I did and she told me to place the firearm tag inside the suitcase after verifying with her buddy that the tag did not have to go inside the locked gun case, just inside the suitcase.
On my ruturn flight from Phoenix the agent had me open the suitcase and also the gun case and had me place the tag inside of it. And she was sure that that was the required proceedure for traveling with a firearm.
Two different agents for U.S. Airways with different understanding of what the rules are as to where the firearms tag should be located.
I'm not surprised with all the rules and regulations to keep track of that different understandings between agents is the norm. I wish it wasn't so, but alas, that be the reality.
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I used to work for Northwest Airlink (the regional feeder for NWA) and I can't remember any restrictions that NWA had about a separate bag for the ammo. Yes, the ammo had to be separated from the gun, but as long as the gun was in its case and the ammo was in its box, it should have been ok in the same piece of luggage.
As for quoting TSA regulations, you won't get very far. They change on a day to day basis, and even us crew members don't have the latest versions sometimes. If they don't want to deal with you, the TSA will just claim "we got a new security directive today that changed the rules," and they aren't required to show them to you to prove it. I also wouldn't get into too heated of a debate with any airline employee. The gate agent has the authority to refuse you boarding if she believes you'll be a disruption on the flight, and that gives her a lot of latitude on which she is rarely questioned. Copping an attitude with any airline employee won't get you very far these days.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" Patrick Henry (ironically a slave owner), 1775 Mar 23.
question to the guys wanting her fired? What would that prove? Heck if I have ever been fired for every mistake I made I would be in perpetual unemployment. She was likely making an interpretation as to the way she understood the rules, which quite honestly are complicated, change daily, and are designed for the agents to err of the side of OVER interpretation.
The way the original poster handled it presented a good demonstration to other passengers on the levelheadedness of a gun owner. THAT in the long run is more valuable than replacing a box of ammo.
My 2 cents before taxes.
It was the only standard size ammo box I had and my 9mm ammo was from a box of 250.
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