21 Feet Is Way Too Close

This is a discussion on 21 Feet Is Way Too Close within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I found this very interesting article and tho it's geared towards LEO's I feel it's relevant to all of us as well. http://www.borelliconsulting.com/articles/21feet.htm...

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    21 Feet Is Way Too Close

    I found this very interesting article and tho it's geared towards LEO's I feel it's relevant to all of us as well.

    http://www.borelliconsulting.com/articles/21feet.htm
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    That Bob is a sobering report tho - for many of us not too great a surprise - Tueller drill and all that.

    As ever I think if it comes to defence of self and legal sequele - it will be and is down to ''stopping the threat'' - I would certainly want jurors to understand this when they might be thinking - knife vs gun = mismatch!!!

    I have seen even real big guys - say 350 plus - be able to move incredibly fast over short distances - never under estimate an opponent!!
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    I was a good read.

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    IIRC, there is a certified Police Training video available called Surviving Edged Weapons and being an official training tool used by some northern police departments it should be able to be entered into evidence in a court trial. It's about an hour long and I used to have my CCW students view it and then sign a document they HAD seen it and thus could link the training to any edged weapon situation. One of my instructor "buddies" "borrowed" the video and never returned it. I don't loan stuff to buddies anymore -- especially other instructors!
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    Interesting article and an interesting website.

    It sure makes you reconsider distances of threats and the actions you should be taking. I would hope this thought would eventually get accepted in court cases and lengthen the standard for responses....
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    21 ft. rule is what we were taught during the PD academy. Shuffling sideways while firing may help, but COM hits are the best way to stop the threat. Also dropping to 1 side as the subject gets near may help avoid too much injury, but ya better know how to battle on the ground.

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    Interesting read, thank you.
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    Good read acp, I also read 10 seconds at the bottom. Thanks...
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    I was taught 21 ft. when I took my CCW course. Thanks for the post. Makes you think and may help in a tough situation to know you need an even better edge.

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    We do our best to break the myth of the 21 foot rule in our training.
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    After reading that, it makes me appreciate Gunsite's approach to problems such as this. Essentially, as the BG gets nearly within striking distance, you quickly move 45° off the line of attack, and pivot. We drilled with this technique both in the handgun classes and edged weapons classes. It puts considerable distance between you and the BG and basically positions you to his side or back.

    The sudden move forces the BG to now react to you. The ole action beats reaction. If the BG is traveling fast enough to reach you in 1.5 seconds, he cannot adjust quickly enough to contact you and may very well fall, trying to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle
    you quickly move 45° off the line of attack, and pivot. We drilled with this technique both in the handgun classes and edged weapons classes. It puts considerable distance between you and the BG and basically positions you to his side or back.
    The sad part is I can almost hear the lawyer now, "and then you shot him in the back (side)?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CombatEffective
    We do our best to break the myth of the 21 foot rule in our training.
    What is the 21 foot myth? I'm not sure I've heard it or maybe I have and can't recall it. I do have CRS sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott
    What is the 21 foot myth? I'm not sure I've heard it or maybe I have and can't recall it. I do have CRS sometimes.

    -Scott-
    Unforutnately, when drill comes out like the Tueller Drill it often gets malformed into something like the "21 foot rule", which I have actually heard people state like it is codifed into law. People then misunderstand it even more, and I've even heard people express it as a legal principle that you can't shoot an attacker armed with an edged weapon unless they are within 21 feet of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CombatEffective
    Unforutnately, when drill comes out like the Tueller Drill it often gets malformed into something like the "21 foot rule", which I have actually heard people state like it is codifed into law. People then misunderstand it even more, and I've even heard people express it as a legal principle that you can't shoot an attacker armed with an edged weapon unless they are within 21 feet of you.

    We try to debunk all of the above.
    Roger that. I guess I hadn't heard that one.

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