This is a discussion on Fairfax County Police (WoW) From VCDL (UGLY) within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by FN1910 I am thinking about hollow points in NJ. Are teflon coated bullets hollow point? Wouldn't that defeat the supposedly reported purpose ...
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HMMM, Just checked my NC permit and there is no phone number on it. Not sure what number the judge was calling.
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A little off topic, but...The gun owner was pulled over for running through a red light, a
charge which the gun owner disputes.
I was driving up to Maryland several years ago from central VA and I used Google maps to plot my course. Well it had me going right through D.C. to get there. I didn't know any better at the time. Anyway, it was getting to be pretty late at night and it started to pour down rain. So I was driving really slow because I couldn't see a thing and I was looking for street signs as I drove along. The road was pretty empty, and it was several lanes wide. I kept seeing these little red lights off to the side of the road on each side as I drove along and was wondering what they were. Then they turned green. I had gone through at least 10 red lights before I realized it. I had never seen street lights on the side on the road like that before, so I had no clue that's what they were. All I could see through the rain was the lights, not the poles.
So to bring it back on topic, I can understand if this guy drove past one of these street lights. He may not have even noticed it.
Regarding the arrival of additional police...
Depending on the department, recent hires, and so on, I can believe it.
Possibility...All the first officer registered was "I am armed" and called backup. Arriving officers and supervisor may have realized the boo boo, and tried to salvage the situation by going forth and hoping the citizen would just roll over and take it.
I was detained a couple of years ago (11:30 PM) for "Suspicion of DUI" and two additional units arrived before the first officer got out of his vehicle, and a fourth arrived while he was walking the 10 yards to where I stopped/parked my bike (1/2 a block from my garage), key hanging off the right mirror, and my sitting side saddle smoking a cigarette clearly demonstrating that I was not a flight risk. Surrounded, grilled, Breathalyzered (0.0 much to the LEOs irritation), lectured on my riding practices for 35 minuets by some twit who I have been riding longer than he has been alive, and released with not even a warning of any infraction. Had I been ticked, it would have been a fun day in court.
So, multiple officers arriving on a minor traffic stop does not surprise me in the least. Compounding the situation...I too would like to hear more about this from official channels.
Had I been the citizen in the OP situation, I would have pushed the issue with the magistrate to have my gun and car returned then and now, no fees, and a verbal apology from the officers. Ticket me for the Red light, my bad, here is the money for the fine.
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In my experience, I have found the Virginia Citizens Defense League to be right on the money. There may be more information forthcoming, but I pretty much believe the facts as reported at their website.
Good God, that is appalling.
Please updare us as things progress.
I personally hope he sues the hell out of the department and hands their a$$ses to them on a rusted platter.
I mean this last week in our class we breezed through the firearms chapter and barely covered what was legal/illegal concerning CHL, places off limits, etc
at lunch and after class everyone was asking me what was right/wrong legal/illegal for CHLs, they just didn't cover it in enough detail to properly train everyone that will be on the streets in December IMO
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Someone earlier in the thread commented that it was surprising that the officer had never heard of permit reciprocity. I had the opposite experience. About a month ago, I went to the local Police Department to be fingerprinted for my Florida permit renewal. They couldn't help me because they are equipped only to do electronic prints, and that doesn't work for out-of-state Florida renewals.
I asked if they could refer me to another department that might help me, and I ended up talking to the Captain. He asked asked me why I had a Florida permit, since I live in Connecticut. I told him that, since Connecticut does not honor the Florida permit, Florida will not honor my Connecticut permit. He was really surprised to learn that Connecticut did not honor every other state's permits; he commented that he thought they were just like driver's licenses.
But he did call the Police Department in the next town to ask them to help me, and, in the course of the conversation (with a lieutenant there) asked him if he was aware that Connecticut did not honor out-of state permits, and that officer, too, was unaware that they weren't honored. So, this mistaken impression appears to be widespread -- but I wouldn't count on it!
As for knowing the law, the academies don't teach everything there is to know about firearms law and most officers really aren't that knowledgeable in that area. In my state there is a 400 pg book published just on the firearms laws for LEOs . . . very few LEOs ever read it or try to understand it. I worked for the PD for 17 years as a Reserve PO, qualified with fellow officers and know how ignorant they are on the gun laws here. I've had our chief ask me about the gun laws. I'm aware of a situation where someone was arrested for "possession of a BB gun without a license" . . . there is no such thing in this state and no requirement for any license for BB guns.
If you announce that you are carrying in my state, expect a felony stop! Many POs don't even know that citizens can carry a gun legally here and their reaction is likely to be predictable and unpleasant.