Fairfax County Police (WoW) From VCDL (UGLY)

Fairfax County Police (WoW) From VCDL (UGLY)

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    Fairfax County Police (WoW) From VCDL (UGLY)

    2. Three Fairfax County police officers prove the Keystone Kops are
    alive and well
    ************************************************** ********

    We haven't had any issues with the Fairfax County police in quite a
    while now. I have found them to be one of the best run police
    agencies in Virginia.

    However, three officers tarnished that image last week when they
    unlawfully arrested a North Carolina resident who was legally carrying
    a handgun and had a North Carolina CHP.

    Hold on tight - this is a weird story.

    The gun owner was pulled over for running through a red light, a
    charge which the gun owner disputes.

    The gun owner, believing that he had to disclose he was lawfully armed
    as they do in North Carolina, dutifully told the officer he had a NC
    CHP and was indeed armed.

    The officer seemed to ignore the statement, but very shortly two more
    patrol units pulled up. The next thing the gun owner knew he is in a
    "felony stop" mode. He was asked to walk backwards towards the
    officers, who then disarmed and handcuffed him.

    While trying to unloaded his gun, THEY DROPPED IT ONTO THE ROAD!

    The two officers and a SERGEANT then proceeded to tell him that he was
    under arrested for:

    1. Having hollow point bullets, which they claimed were illegal in
    Virginia (!)
    2. Taking a loaded gun across the state line, which the gun owner
    was told was a FELONY (!)
    3. Having a concealed gun that the police said he couldn't have since
    he was from North Carolina (!!)

    His car and gun were impounded and he was taken off to a magistrate.

    The magistrate looked at the charges and told the police officers that
    they had just made a false arrest.

    The officers pointed out the possession of hollow point bullets. The
    magistrate asked, "are they teflon coated?"

    "No," replied on of the officers.

    "Then they are legal."

    Trying to find something that would stick and justify the false
    arrest, one of the officers said, "We couldn't verify that his North
    Carolina permit is valid."

    The magistrate looked at the permit, noticed the phone number on the
    back where one can call to verify the permit, called the number, and
    within a few minutes found out the permit was indeed valid.

    The gun owner was ordered to be released.

    After being released from custody, the gun owner was given a hard time
    by another officer about getting his gun back, but he did finally get
    it back.

    If all of that isn't bad enough, the arresting officer went ahead and
    gave the gun owner a ticket for the alleged offense of running a red
    light!

    In essence, with that brilliant move, the officer was practically
    BEGGING the gun owner to PLEASE sue Fairfax County for the false arrest!

    I have already talked to my high-level contact with the Fairfax County
    PD about this entire situation and the gun owner has filed a formal
    complaint.

    In the past, Fairfax County PD has been very good when such internal
    investigations are required. Now we will wait and see what happens.

    What is clear is that Fairfax County PD needs to educate its officers
    on:

    1. Possession of hollow point bullets
    2. Reciprocity laws
    3. Lawful carriage of firearms across state lines
    4. Safe gun handling (a few years ago unsafe gun handling by an
    officer cause a gun to discharge, killing an unarmed, handcuffed man)
    “Are you a thermometer or a thermostat, do you reflect or become what is happening in the room or do you change the atmosphere, reset the temperature when you come into the room”?--Chuck Swindoll

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    Question

    It would be interesting to see the arrest report, which presumably would document the specific statutes this man allegedly failed to follow. If such statutes don't in fact exist, then what was the factual claim being made to the judge upon arraignment ... that their impression was sufficient cause, and that no specific statutory infraction was required?
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    Wow ugly situation; please keep us updated on its resolution. As a North Carolina resident who frequents Virginia I would hate to see this become a trend.

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    Yes please keep us updated.
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    It occurred in the Commonwealth of Va. This story doesn't surprise me at all. In a state where they actively apply a "foul language law" and officers (albeit, a seperate county from Fairfax) wait outside of bars to catch PEDESTRIANS with drunk in public citations (I guess they were supposed to use the underground tunnels to take their taxi home).....nothing surprises me.


    Fairfax may not be all that bad, but please heed this....don't bother visiting or even passing through Culpeper County. Not only is there really nothing here of value or interest....you'll do yourself good to steer clear of the shady PD, Sheriff's Office, Lawyers and courthouse. All it takes is a quick look at the arrests listed in the Star Exponent (Google for website) to see what I mean.


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    A friend at my job wife works with FCPD.

    When I saw this I went Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!!!

    A) There has to be more to the story!

    B) If there isn't I hope the NC CCW holder sues for False arrest.
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    was this in a newspaper or how did you come across the story?
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    The story is on the VCDL's website (Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)) but no sources are provided.

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    That's definitely ugly. It's hard to believe there are police officers who think hollow point ammunition is illegal. It's also hard to believe that there are officers out there that don't know what reciprocity is. The entire situation could have been cleared up with a call to a supervisor. In any case, I'm glad the magistrate knew what he was talking about.

    I predict the NC resident will have plenty of money to pay that Red light ticket after this is all said and done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattLarson View Post
    The story is on the VCDL's website (Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)) but no sources are provided.

    Matt
    Thats what I thought... No offense to anyone here, but I haven't been to impressed with a lot of gun rights organizations abilities to gather facts on these types of stories. Other than "I'll bet a paycheck there is more tot he story" I'll reserve further comment.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerbouchard View Post
    It's hard to believe there are police officers who think hollow point ammunition is illegal. It's also hard to believe that there are officers out there that don't know what reciprocity is.
    Not really, the apptitude testing is not rocket science....no offense to any and all, just the way it is .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Thats what I thought... No offense to anyone here, but I haven't been to impressed with a lot of gun rights organizations abilities to gather facts on these types of stories. Other than "I'll bet a paycheck there is more tot he story" I'll reserve further comment.
    VCDL--Actually does a very good job of getting the facts before they do anything. I'm shocked at the severity of the charges of lack of knowledge on the Officers; however, knowing a little how VCDL operates I would be even more shocked if they hadn't done their research first, and released bogus info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    VCDL--Actually does a very good job of getting the facts before they do anything. I'm shocked at the severity of the charges of lack of knowledge on the Officers; however, knowing a little how VCDL operates I would be even more shocked if they hadn't done their research first, and released bogus info.
    I hope your right about VCDL, but anytime there is an agenda (even if you happen to agree with it) there is going to be a bias... we shall see.

    I do find it extremely hard to believe that arrests would have been made if the situation played out like VCDL says it did, but then again, not to much surprises me anymore.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    E-mail them

    E-mail the chief of police at chief@co.fairfax.va.us and internal affairs at iacmdr@co.fairfax.va.us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerbouchard View Post
    It's hard to believe there are police officers who think hollow point ammunition is illegal.
    He must have just transferred from the PRNJ.
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