National Park Carry OK?

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    You got up that close to elk and then say that you'd shoot the elk if they charged you? Poor elk. Don't get so close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtD View Post
    My Dad was in Estes Park Colorado, which is part of the Rocky Mountain National Park, and he was patted down by a ranger because he was wearing his NRA life Member cap. This happened about three weeks ago. The ranger said something about the NRA cap, asked my dad if he was carrying a concealed weapon and felt around his waist to check. My Dad doesn't CC so everything ended there.
    Smells like a violation of federal civil rights. Got witnesses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by denverbear View Post
    If you where is Estes park proper you should not have been subject to a search as you have not entered to park yet,..when we went up trail ridge road last month and went thru the ranger station the paper work that was handed to us said notheing about weapons in park therefor I did not disarm and the ranger when I asked him at pay boothe just said be careful and stay concealed
    there where no signs posted any where we went in park...we got up to about 15 feet away from elk that where laying down to take pictures but if said elk had charged us I would definatly have had to protect my grandkids.
    Yep, I was there in December myself, and didn't see any signs posted either, but I wasn't carrying. I kept my pistol in the trunk while traveling and then just took it in the motels with me at night, B/c techinically I had no carry permit recognized by CO between Sept and Last week, but that's another story.

    Anyway, when this occured a couple weeks back it kinda POed me too. I was going to post something then, but figured it would just stir up a hornets nest. Anyway, yes it was an illegal search under Terry v. Ohio, becuase there was no reasonable basis for suspicion to believe that a "crime was afoot" and he certainly had no reason to suspect that a 65 yr old grandfather, traveling with his wife daughter and granddaughter was a threat to officer safety. I wasn't there, but my daughter, Sister, & Mom were witnesses. They were at the trailhead station where the trail goes up to Bear Lake.

    Anyway, Dad & Mom sadi the ranger actually faked the search. He said something to my dad about his cap in a friendly manner and as he was doing it he walked up and kind of "hugged" my dad like he was a long lost friend and felt around his midsection while trying to act like he wasn't frisking him, which he really was. He was making conversation about the NRA and CC, and being very friendly. My Dad is a pretty easy going guy, and he doesn't get easily offended. In fact, I guess he stood there and talked for a while and the Ranger said he was very pro gun, but said he has to enforce the regs as they are now or some such thing.

    Still, it was an illegal search without a basis for reasonable suspicion, so IMO had dad been carrying, which like I said he doesn't do anyway, the evidence would likely have been supressed and charges dropped. But. it would have been a lot of time and expense, since dad lives in FL and was just vacationing. Had it been me, I would have filed a complaint, but my dad is not the type to do that sort of thing unless someone really makes him mad. I'm not sure if it was from the conversation that took place, but my Mom got the impression that the Ranger would have only made a person take the gun off and leave it in the car. ???? Like I said, I wasn't there.

    This isn't the first I've heard of people being profiled becuase of NRA logo wear. Proabably won't be the last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    It is, as of now, illegal to carry in any national park. The NRA is currently taking submissions from the public in an effort to get this rectified.

    It is also illegal to carry in many, if not all, state parks.
    It is not even illegal in FL's state parks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    It is not even illegal in FL's state parks...
    Nor in MI state Parks, with a MI CPL or one from a reciprocal state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denverbear View Post
    If you where is Estes park proper you should not have been subject to a search as you have not entered to park yet,..when we went up trail ridge road last month and went thru the ranger station the paper work that was handed to us said notheing about weapons in park therefor I did not disarm and the ranger when I asked him at pay boothe just said be careful and stay concealed
    there where no signs posted any where we went in park...we got up to about 15 feet away from elk that where laying down to take pictures but if said elk had charged us I would definatly have had to protect my grandkids.
    They don't have to post signs in a National Park, it's federal law prohibiting possession of a weapon. Not surprisingly, the pay booth ranger didn't know the law and was pro gun. Many times we rip on people here that don't know the law and are anti gun.

    And who takes their kids within 15ft of wild elk in rutt no less? Why don't ya get yourself a pet bear too?

    I don't mean to be rude, but dude, you are asking for trouble on sooo many fronts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyboyLDB View Post
    July 1st GA will be ok - just not in any publically owned buildings there - so from what I understand, restrooms, among others, would be off limits. National parks still an issue everywhere
    It's funny how "public" buildings are supposed to allow everyone...except people with a CHP/CCL/CWL, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denverbear View Post
    If you where is Estes park proper you should not have been subject to a search as you have not entered to park yet,..when we went up trail ridge road last month and went thru the ranger station the paper work that was handed to us said notheing about weapons in park therefor I did not disarm and the ranger when I asked him at pay boothe just said be careful and stay concealed
    there where no signs posted any where we went in park...we got up to about 15 feet away from elk that where laying down to take pictures but if said elk had charged us I would definatly have had to protect my grandkids.
    Wow, tell me I misunderstood this. Surely you're not saying an elk might have had to be shot so you and your grandkids could get close for a picture? Let alone the potential risk to your grandchildren?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyboyLDB View Post
    July 1st GA will be ok - just not in any publically owned buildings there - so from what I understand, restrooms, among others, would be off limits. National parks still an issue everywhere
    Any of the buildings within state parks WILL be legal as of July 1, 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by denverbear View Post
    If you where is Estes park proper you should not have been subject to a search as you have not entered to park yet,..when we went up trail ridge road last month and went thru the ranger station the paper work that was handed to us said notheing about weapons in park therefor I did not disarm and the ranger when I asked him at pay boothe just said be careful and stay concealed
    there where no signs posted any where we went in park...we got up to about 15 feet away from elk that where laying down to take pictures but if said elk had charged us I would definatly have had to protect my grandkids.
    Not a good idea to get close to wild animals to take pictures, and then have to shoot them if they charge you. I might add that a handgun would not be effective for a quick stop if an elk charged you.

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    I don't get close animals in the parks or wild life areas. You never know what their disposition might be. They may have young, you might be between their food. As for shooting an elk with a pistol you better have a full size .44 magnum or something larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerinWstuff View Post
    They don't have to post signs in a National Park, it's federal law prohibiting possession of a weapon. Not surprisingly, the pay booth ranger didn't know the law and was pro gun. Many times we rip on people here that don't know the law and are anti gun.

    And who takes their kids within 15ft of wild elk in rutt no less? Why don't ya get yourself a pet bear too?

    I don't mean to be rude, but dude, you are asking for trouble on sooo many fronts.
    I guess I should have been more clear in the situation..
    where we where at there was a fence between us and the elk that where laying down.
    there was also probably 30/40 other people all around us taking pictures also.
    Now I'm hope I am not dumb enough to think my little 40cal could stop a full grown elk if he decieded to try to go thru fence but at the same time I do not believe I could just stand there and watch a animal try to rack someone with his antler's..but that would be a deciesion I would hopefully never want to be in....just wanted to set the record straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtD View Post
    ... and he was patted down by a ranger because he was wearing his NRA life Member cap. This happened about three weeks ago.
    And folks don't think advertising gets attention from those looking. Yes, it can.
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    National PARK - huge no

    National FOREST is different - can hunt and target shoot, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozshadow View Post
    National PARK - huge no

    National FOREST is different - can hunt and target shoot, etc.
    EXCEPT in Tennessee...state law puts them off limits here.
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