This is a discussion on National Park Carry OK? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; You got up that close to elk and then say that you'd shoot the elk if they charged you? Poor elk. Don't get so close....
You got up that close to elk and then say that you'd shoot the elk if they charged you? Poor elk. Don't get so close.
Anyway, when this occured a couple weeks back it kinda POed me too. I was going to post something then, but figured it would just stir up a hornets nest. Anyway, yes it was an illegal search under Terry v. Ohio, becuase there was no reasonable basis for suspicion to believe that a "crime was afoot" and he certainly had no reason to suspect that a 65 yr old grandfather, traveling with his wife daughter and granddaughter was a threat to officer safety. I wasn't there, but my daughter, Sister, & Mom were witnesses. They were at the trailhead station where the trail goes up to Bear Lake.
Anyway, Dad & Mom sadi the ranger actually faked the search. He said something to my dad about his cap in a friendly manner and as he was doing it he walked up and kind of "hugged" my dad like he was a long lost friend and felt around his midsection while trying to act like he wasn't frisking him, which he really was. He was making conversation about the NRA and CC, and being very friendly. My Dad is a pretty easy going guy, and he doesn't get easily offended. In fact, I guess he stood there and talked for a while and the Ranger said he was very pro gun, but said he has to enforce the regs as they are now or some such thing.
Still, it was an illegal search without a basis for reasonable suspicion, so IMO had dad been carrying, which like I said he doesn't do anyway, the evidence would likely have been supressed and charges dropped. But. it would have been a lot of time and expense, since dad lives in FL and was just vacationing. Had it been me, I would have filed a complaint, but my dad is not the type to do that sort of thing unless someone really makes him mad. I'm not sure if it was from the conversation that took place, but my Mom got the impression that the Ranger would have only made a person take the gun off and leave it in the car. ???? Like I said, I wasn't there.
This isn't the first I've heard of people being profiled becuase of NRA logo wear. Proabably won't be the last.
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And who takes their kids within 15ft of wild elk in rutt no less? Why don't ya get yourself a pet bear too?
I don't mean to be rude, but dude, you are asking for trouble on sooo many fronts.
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I don't get close animals in the parks or wild life areas. You never know what their disposition might be. They may have young, you might be between their food. As for shooting an elk with a pistol you better have a full size .44 magnum or something larger.
where we where at there was a fence between us and the elk that where laying down.
there was also probably 30/40 other people all around us taking pictures also.
Now I'm hope I am not dumb enough to think my little 40cal could stop a full grown elk if he decieded to try to go thru fence but at the same time I do not believe I could just stand there and watch a animal try to rack someone with his antler's..but that would be a deciesion I would hopefully never want to be in....just wanted to set the record straight.
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