How do you feel about pardons?
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July 11th, 2008 03:18 PM
How do you feel about pardons?
What's the general opinion on here about felons who've received pardons and now have gun rights? How do you feel about them receiving ccw's or the like depending upon which state they are in?
July 11th, 2008 03:24 PM
I think pardons should be given much more often. I also feel that after somebody has served their time, all of their rights should be reinstated. If they aren't responsible enough to have their rights reinstated, then our politicians need to keep them in jail...not curtail their rights.
July 11th, 2008 03:27 PM
I don't have a problem with it depending on what the felony was. By this I mean I don't feel Martha Stewart is a threat and should be denied the ability to defend herself with a gun if she wanted to do so. Of course she can afford armed protection but you get my point. Her crime was not one of violence. If the felony was violent I don't think they should have gun rights restored.
The problem now-a-days is what constitutes a felony. When I was a kid, (I hate using that term but oh well), murder, rape, kidnapping, treason were felonies and that was about it. You could get the death penalty if convicted for any of these too. Now you can become a felon for jaywalking while scratching your butt at the same time. They have dumbed-down the term by making just about any crime a felony.
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July 11th, 2008 03:37 PM
I think it all depends personally. If the pardon was because of who knew who, ie your the governors second cousin, or something like that, well why should you be reinstated a right that someone else has been stripped of for life. That kind of stuff just pisses me off. If you were pardoned because there was evidence found that indicated that you were wrongly convicted, well then certainly you need your full rights restored.
If a person serves their time after a conviction, or if they are on parole, well that is a totally different issue and should not be confused with a pardon.
I don't necessarily buy into if it was a non violent thing then you should be given your rights back and if it was a violent thing you shouldn't. If someone does a white collar crime and ruins your life, putting you in the poor house or messing up your credit, your life is just as misserable afterwards as it would be if they shot or stabbed you and caused you to have medical bills or loss of work whatever and resulted in your life being misserable. If your a criminal I don't have much sympathy for you personally.
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July 11th, 2008 03:39 PM
I like that you say they dumbed down the term felony. But I don't think it's becuase almost anything is a felony nowadays. I think its because you can get a felony conviction and serve no time, pay little fines, and server no community service. The lack or lessor punishment has dumbed down a felony. 17 years ago, having a felony conviction was bad. Now, no one cares that you have a felony. I really hate how young adults can get felony convictions and the parents act like it's no big deal. A felony is a big deal.
July 11th, 2008 03:51 PM
Depends on the case.
A man in Illinois was convicted of illegally owning a handgun.
After he was found not guilty of excessive use of force for killing a burglar that broke into his home in the middle of the night, the local prosecutor then charged him with illegal possession of a handgun because city ordinances had banned them.
He was found guilty and is now serving time...for something that is legal in most citys and because a rabid anti-gun prosecuter was enraged that he lost his case.
Now we have the Heller vs. D.C. desicion.
Should he be let out and his rights restored?
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July 11th, 2008 04:04 PM
Are you talking about a pardon or having rights restored after serving sentence......2 different things entirely.
As a rule, I'm opposed to pardons unless there's clear evidence that a real travesty of justice occurred.
I also think that loss of certain rights is part of the punishment for certain crimes and that it's becoming far too easy to have those rights restored, simply by asking nicely. If you can't (or don't want to) do the time, don't do the crime.
Of course, I've been accused of being a before......but in the grand scheme of things, I'm ok with that.
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July 11th, 2008 04:06 PM
In most states a convicted felon loses his gun rights for life, and also his right to vote. That is fine with me.
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July 11th, 2008 04:11 PM
I'm talking about pardons, not rights automatically returned after probation.
Originally Posted by David in FL
Last edited by treksouth; July 11th, 2008 at 10:02 PM.
July 11th, 2008 04:13 PM
A pardon due to an error in the conviction...no problem, but if it were my choice, felons (depending upon the crime) would be serving looooooong sentences and no 'good time behavior' crap.
Second time offenders wouldn't have to worry about being outside of prison. No A/C, no TV, no weightrooms, no smoking...plenty of hard labor! No work, no food!
We could make more room in some prisons by clearing out all the death rows...immediately!
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July 11th, 2008 04:15 PM
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July 11th, 2008 04:17 PM
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July 11th, 2008 04:25 PM
I would have no problem with a pardon or full restoration of a felons rights if that felon has paid his debt to society. This would include making full restitution to the victims and their families, paying for the cost of trial, costs of prosecutors, investigators, and lab work, fair pay to the jury for their time, payment for any legal aid services, and paying the costs of keeping them locked up. Anything less would be unfair to the victims and the tax payers. And until an ex-con has demonstrated his rehabilitation by sweating away at honest work to make whole again those who were damaged by his criminal act, how dare such a person expect to have all the rights of an honest citizen?
Yes, I know, that's not a kinder, gentler viewpoint, not politically correct either. But just why should a criminal be able to 'rob' us of free room and board? Why should an inmate get a free college education while some honest people have to borrow or work two jobs to afford one? Our prison system is posh enough that many of these folks are regular, repeat guests at the Iron Bar Resort.
We need to make the consequences of a felony conviction so awful that upon release the felon will really, really want to stay out and so be forced do the unthinkable: get a job and obey the law.
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July 11th, 2008 04:32 PM
pardons should be given much more often
With some due diligence and careful selection, I agree.
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