Another? gray area in Va.

Another? gray area in Va.

This is a discussion on Another? gray area in Va. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I picked up my latest handgun, a milsurp revolver. It came with a full flap holster. While I waited for the electronic OK, I asked ...

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    Another? gray area in Va.

    I picked up my latest handgun, a milsurp revolver. It came with a full flap holster. While I waited for the electronic OK, I asked my FFL dealer if this would be considered concealed, as it covers up most all of the gun.

    He made a call to the state police, he was told it depends on the officers judgement.

    So it seems what mood the officer is in, I guess.

    Sigh.


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    Only if the entire holster is concealed so it cannot be recognized as a holster. Full flap holsters have been around for nearly 150 years or more. As long as it is on the belt and can be seen it is considered open carry even though the revolver is protected by the flap. Even if charged by a police officer the Magistrate or Commonwealth's Attorney will most likely laugh in the cop's face and drop the charge or refuse to issue the warrant.

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    It would be obvious to even the most oblivious that you are carrying; therefore, not "concealed carry."
    When in doubt, just ask yourself, "What would Theodore Roosevelt do?"

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    The holster does not conceal the true identity of what is inside.

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    If it is obviously a gun holster...you are open carrying.

    If it was a holster inside a PDA case...and you had the PDA case on your belt...then it would be concealed.
    Magazine <> clip - know the difference

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    Did the revolver happen to be an 1895 Nagant? Just wondering. They all mostly come with full flap holsters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffLrrp View Post
    Did the revolver happen to be an 1895 Nagant? Just wondering. They all mostly come with full flap holsters.
    Yes. It's cheap and fun. Rounds can be pricey tho. Not only that, but it fits in my pants pocket with just the butt showing. That would be concealed, I would think.

    I agree with all, that it's obvious, but ya never know sometimes!

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    Sundance & I carry deep concelaed, we don't want anyone (especially the bg's) to know we are packin, element of suprise baby!

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    Take the gun and lay it on the copier, then cut it out and tape it to the outside of the holster, it should be life sized and fit just right.

    Seriously though, I can't see any LEO trying to say it's concealed. Then I'm no lawyer or LEO either.
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    Out of curiosity, can you post a photo of what it looks like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JG01 View Post
    Out of curiosity, can you post a photo of what it looks like?
    Here's a couple, will try for more again.
    May have worked, should be four pics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rmac58 View Post
    Here's a couple, will try for more again.
    May have worked, should be four pics.
    Got 'em!
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    Dasmmit ! ! Makes me want a 1895 Nagant again. I just got over that. Maybe I'll get one. Maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffLrrp View Post
    Dasmmit ! ! Makes me want a 1895 Nagant again. I just got over that. Maybe I'll get one. Maybe.
    LOL, I paid $80 plus shipping, (NIcardboardB) plus my local FFL, for just over a C note. I ordered some more ammo yesterday at $23.16 per 50 round box, delivered.

    I have a modern revolver, and a semi-auto. So now I'm looking at interesting and low cost handguns.
    Just "won" (ordered?) a CZ 52, don't know if I will get that one, an auction.
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    Thats what I'm doing too. I want a Nagant revolver now, but I also want 1-2 Mosin 91/30s too. The Fredericksburg Gun Show is on the 2-3 of August. I will be leaving it with something . . . ammo, gun, guns, ammo, accessories, gun, guns, ammo. Something
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    tsk tsk tsk

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