Fire Mission - Top story at MSNBC (Merged)

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    Fire Mission - Top story at MSNBC (Merged)

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    With the full story located here Showdown over packing heat in national parks - Life - MSNBC.com

    The link to vote Live Vote: Guns in national parks? - Life - MSNBC.com

    In 40 years as a ranger, manager and superintendent of national parks from Alaska to North Carolina, Doug Morris says he never responded to a crime that would have been prevented had a visitor been carrying a concealed weapon. Nor did he hear complaints from gun owners about the rule requiring them to unload and lock away firearms while in national parks.

    But Morris, who retired three years ago, says he did see cases where visitors shot wildlife or fired wildly into the night in crowded campgrounds. That’s why Morris and a majority of his fellow members of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees adamantly oppose a National Rifle Association-led effort to lift the decades-old ban on concealed weapons in the parks. “Nothing is broken about the existing rule,” he said.

    But David Yates, a gun-rights activist from Alexandria, Va., says he believes the current rule tramples the Second Amendment rights of all law-abiding Americans to bear arms. Yates, who usually carries a handgun for self-defense where legally allowed, has given up visiting national parks as “a point of honor and principle.”

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    Nice, I'm going to go turn on MSNBC right now.
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    As of 7:45am EST:

    What's your position on citizens carrying weapons in national parks?
    1690 responses

    State laws should apply.
    18%

    It should not be allowed.
    31%

    Concealed weapons should be allowed in all national parks, regardless of state law.
    21%

    Concealed weapons and "open carry" should be allowed in all national parks, regardless of state law.
    30%
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    What's your position on citizens carrying weapons in national parks? * 1839 responses

    State laws should apply.
    18%

    It should not be allowed.
    31%

    Concealed weapons should be allowed in all national parks, regardless of state law.
    21%

    Concealed weapons and "open carry" should be allowed in all national parks, regardless of state law.
    30%
    "Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Bran dish
    1 : to shake or wave (as a weapon) menacingly
    2 : to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner
    And I thought a "Bran dish" was to lower cholesterol and improve regularity.
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    The official they interviewed said 'never have I responded to a crime that could have been prevented if the individual had a weapon'

    April 19, 1999 neither had the security at Columbine High School
    ‘‘To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...’’

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    I voted CC and OC should be allowed:

    State laws should apply.
    18%

    It should not be allowed.
    35%

    Concealed weapons should be allowed in all national parks, regardless of state law.
    19%

    Concealed weapons and "open carry" should be allowed in all national parks, regardless of state law.
    29%

    What they don't realize, or care about, is guns are already being carried there, by the BG!
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    6109 votes: I voted for CC and Open Carry

    18% State Laws should apply.

    35% It should not be allowed.

    19% Should be allowed in State Parks regardless of State Law.

    29% Concealed and Open carry in all National Parks, regardless of State Law.

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    Clever construction on that poll.
    They had multiple attractive choices, an obvious ploy to split our vote, and allow the Antis only one category.
    The Antis all lined up in one column while we were scattered through multiple choices.
    Clever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Pilot View Post
    Clever construction on that poll.
    They had multiple attractive choices, an obvious ploy to split our vote, and allow the Antis only one category.
    The Antis all lined up in one column while we were scattered through multiple choices.
    Clever.
    clever but anybody that looks at the results will see that only 1/3 of the votes are against some form of allowing guns. the other 2/3's are for allowing guns in one form or another.

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    Nor did he hear complaints from gun owners about the rule requiring them to unload and lock away firearms while in national parks.
    Nor would he, necessarily. Can't imagine he'd hear much grousing, as it's clear that a ranger can't do anything about it.

    There are, of course, plenty of instances of people being threatened by two-legged predators in the wilderness, parks and camps. Many folks I know have such a story.

    And, yes, it's obvious that a percentage of any group is going to have some bad apples who bring bad behaviors. Doesn't mean that the vast majority of the group can't benefit by the ability to defend themselves, nor that such self-defense ability is worthless because a few bad apples will abuse it.
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    While I'd like to see an overall relaxing of carry restrictions, I had to vote for "state laws should apply." Kind of with the same rationale as the campus-carry folks... why should the rules change just because you stepped into a park? Don't make a park a "you can carry here where otherwise you couldn't" zone, just allow those who are legal anyway to continue doing what they do.

    Granted, some state laws should probably change too, but that seems outside the scope of this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faithmyeyes View Post
    While I'd like to see an overall relaxing of carry restrictions, I had to vote for "state laws should apply." Kind of with the same rationale as the campus-carry folks... why should the rules change just because you stepped into a park? Don't make a park a "you can carry here where otherwise you couldn't" zone, just allow those who are legal anyway to continue doing what they do.

    Granted, some state laws should probably change too, but that seems outside the scope of this discussion.

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    i think that would also be the easiest change to pass.

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    remember that you are looking at a poll from a fairly extreme leftist rag of a media outlet, with a predominantly left leaning audience. They will distort the results any way they want to.

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