Our neighborhoods, who gets them?

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    Our neighborhoods, who gets them?

    In a recent post started by Rifter he talked about some kids in a park near his house doing some weed and calling the cops. I think he did the right thing. There was a lot of input that, pardon my generalization, said, "just don't go there anymore". I am not attacking anyone. I respect everyone's opinions, but I would like to look into this idea more and get some more thoughts on the subject.

    My question is; Are we just going to abandon our neighborhoods to the bad influences and stay safely in our homes, hoping the bad influences are happy with the streets and parks and don't come into our homes after us?

    I am often amazed at the attitude displayed by some of our forum members. It seems they are more than willing to give in to the evil elements in an effort to ensure there is no risk or confrontation. I have read people saying to just give a robber your wallet, to just avoid areas of your own neighborhood, move somewhere else and other passive and defeatist ideas. I am really suprised considering what this forum is about. I am no cop, and I don't want to be one. I don't think I am Rambo or 007 and I am no vigilante. I do have personal rights, and civic responsibilities. This quote has always spoken to me an our abdication of responsibility to our neighbors and our society.

    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."- Edmund Burke

    That really seems like what is being advocated. I understand that the best fight, no matter which kind, is the one you aren't in. I understand avoidance and de-escalation. I do not understand apathy toward another, avoidance of responsibility or the abdication of our neighborhoods to illegal and unlawful influences. When we run away, or move, or stop doing what we want to do for fear of some evil influence, they win.
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    Well said.
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    I agree! I refuse to live my life on the defense all the time. If we're not proactive someone else will be, and it may be the bad guys!
    We will be much better off when we learn to deal with things as they really are, instead of how we wish them to be!

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    Thanks for the support. I am talking about the right things to do too, not just for ourselves but our communities; Neighborhood watches, dialogues with the police department, calling in kids that look up to no good, watching out for our neighbors, talking to our neighbors, all the things that let us work together to make sure the bad elements know that we are watching and will not tolerate any incursion into our neighborhoods. They will go somewhere else that isn't watching, or get caught.
    But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
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    God knows, I do agree.

    Good people need to assert themselves on the streets of their communities.

    I am not advocating aggression of any kind, but merely the establishment of a presence that makes it clear to ne'er-do-wells whose streets they are walking on.

    The thing that makes this difficult is the disconnectedness of people in modern times. In the old days, people moved around far less and had many fewer distractions and obligations to pull them away from their homes. Consequently, there was more cohesion, a sense of belonging and often pride, in communities. Because of this, I think on the whole that people who moved into town and started behaving badly met with far greater resentment and resistance than they do now because they were violating and threatening something - the community's sense of itself - that was valued and looked upon as worth defending.

    Things are still somewhat like that in smaller towns and villages across the country. Also, it varies somewhat depending on the area. But all too often you'll find that your own neighbors are, at best, too apathetic or timid to do their part in making the neighborhood unwelcoming to bad elements. And at worst, some of them might be the very people who are causing the problems.

    It's a bloody shame that, despite all the means of connection and communication available in the technologically advanced age we live in, there is so little impulse among neighbors (the decent ones, that is) to bond with each other and consider these issues as a whole, instead of individuals. I just can't picture it happening. People are too wrapped up in their own "lives", with distractions, temptations and gadgets that take them away from home, either physically or mentally, to care.

    I looked at your location and I feel for you. Never been to Texas, let alone Fort Worth, but from what I hear it ain't no picnic.

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    Nother person in agreement who thinks Burke summed it up a succinctly as possible.
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    Good thread and good posts.

    I'm with you!

    I am a writer and wrote a newspaper column about the "old Days of community and neighborhood cohesiveness compared to today". When I was a kid everybody knew their neighbors and that meant almost everyone for 10 or more houses in all directions.

    Today, I barely know 3 neighbors well enough to say hello to and I live in a small town.

    On the other hand my niece lives in Wichita, Ks, a much larger city and they are much more neighborhood friendly. They have an annual block party.

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    I wish I didn't have a neighbor within 10 miles.
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    Well said "bigiceman" I also agree with you. There are a couple of my neighbors & i that have to keep a special eye on the hoodlums on the other side of me I cant wait for the day when the narcotics team kicks there door in
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    Months ago I saw a vehicle parked in the vacant lot next door, where the builder was using the space as a parking lot for their office. Knowing the builder personally, I took a trip through the woods and to the car. When I got closer, I could see four teenagers smoking up, nonethewiser that I was approaching. I turned on my 6P, and gave the driver's side window a tap. I'm sure all they could see was the blinding light, and quickly rolled down the window and answered all of my questions (probably thought I was the po-po). They told me they didn't know the builder, so I had them be on their way and told them to do it somewhere else. I'm not sure why, but calling the police never crossed my mind. I can take care of some little high school boys, and don't need the help of the police, nor do I feel that they needed to go to jail that night.

    Let's let the kids know that the PEOPLE they impose upon run this country, and that simply finding a "chill spot" away from the police does not make it tolerable.

    IMO, they learned that they can't play ball in vacant lots in the middle of the night in my neck of the woods, probably have a funny story for their friends, and get to go home without a criminal record that might effect a future good sumeritan trying to find a job.

    Take your neighborhoods back (be safe of course, use your discretion and don't mess with the dangerous types), and let's regain the comfort of being able to visit the local park or convenience store or motel at any hour without fear of knuckleheads (whether we exercise this priveledge or not).

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    Very well said. I get an average of about 5-6 hours of sleep per night. I stay up and watch the neighborhood for trouble. I know who should and should not be here. I also have the keys to 6 of my neighbors houses because they trust me to watch out for their homes when they are not home. I have been here for 10 years now and have never had any problems that I could not handle. I have worked too hard for what I have to have some punks take it from me.
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    There comes a point when one person can make a difference to a thug or three in the "hood", but when the numbers get higher than that, you are taking a greater risk in any type of confrontation.

    It may well be that the problem grows so fast that there is not much that can be done to stop it.

    You also have to take into consideration of the apathy of the rest of the neighborhood as well, those that would rather believe that the LEOs will take care of it eventually.

    My block has a party every year, but I would still be very hesitant to confront any wrong doers I see on the block based on gut. If they have not done or are not doing anything illegal that I have witnessed, I certainly do not want them targeting me for payback while I am sleeping or away form home, READ - I seriously doubt my neighbors would do anything if they did see something going on.
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    I agree with you 100% what also scares me is in another posts where some advocate standing back and watching a out numbered cop get injured and killed and not get involved. The attitude is if he has a gun let him defend himself and I will stand back and be a good wittness. What happened to folks like our grandfathers??

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    I think the reason that so much of this foolishness goes on in plain few is that people ignore criminal/bad behavior that occurs right in front of them. So the bad actors have come to expect free passes from civilians. When I was a kid, you were in as much danger of being spanked by the guy on the other side of town as you were from your own parents.
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    Watching your naber hood

    I my self had a problum two years ago when my nambers and ihad problums with new nabers who throught they owmed the block when ever cars were over there we would write down infomation on there cars and turn it over to the pd onwnly one time did we have a problum and i am lucky my son is a county sheriff stoped by with some of his friends and talked to them and they moved soon after

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