Carrying in a Bar/Pub/Resturant

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    Carrying in a Bar/Pub/Resturant

    Moral/Common Sense issue - not sure. I know there are states that make it illegal to carry in a bar or establishment that serves alcohol. That's not the case here. Those who i have spoken to out here who carry and go to bars/pubs, etc. say that having a firearm keeps them responsible and sober. there are others who say that alcohol and guns don't mix (which i understand 100%).

    Where do you stand on this?

    I carry wherever i go (aside from govt. places). I rarely ever drink, but like a Corona once in a blue moon. 99.9% of the time i am with my wife in a restaurant and i don't drink period.
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    My personal view is that if you consume a drop of alcohol when carrying you should have the right revoked immediately. Even if you just have one drink and are totally sober, if you have to use your firearm you're going to run into real problems. That, in turn, will move beyond just being a problem for you and turn into a blackeye for everyone that carries a gun for self defense.
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    good point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    uh, dead horse and a trip to the movies?
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    Why would "carrying" in a bar or establishment that serves alcohol be a problem? The operative word is of course "carry". I did not say drink. Being in an establishment like that does not cause me to drink. Just as carrying a gun does not cause me to kill people. In MN it is not illegal and I have done it on many occasions with no adverse results. Carry in a bar that is, not drink and carry.
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    Slippery slope here. Where does this put people who are required to carry by law (some LE)? Does that mean they are forever forbidden from drinking anywhere but at their home? I don't think that a beer or three inhibits someone's ability from making a decision like when to shoot, but they would have some problems when the cops came driving up.

    That being said, I leave mine in the car if I'm going to drink, but I don't leave it at home. If ya need it, ya need it. Leaving it in the car, while leaving you vulnerable for a bit, will greatly reduce the likelihood of a bad LEO encounter without an actual shooting happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 762 View Post
    uh, dead horse and a trip to the movies?
    Yeah, dead horse because we've beat this topic to death around here.

    We need the popcorn and Pepsi so we can endure it again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Yeah, dead horse because we've beat this topic to death around here.

    We need the popcorn and Pepsi so we can endure it again.
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    Dead horse or no, it is still an interesting subject.

    LEOs may be required to carry in some places. However, I have yet to meet a LEO that must carry at any time they are not on duty. And we all know that drinking while on duty is a no-no. And short answer, if you can't leave home without a firearm then you should only drink at home. I'm not bound by any laws, but that is my decision anyway so I can't really feel bad if other people have to do it as well.

    As far as carrying, you should be able to carry anywhere you go. Just don't drink while you're there!
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    I carry whenever I go into a restaurant that sells alcohol, not a bar ie 51% signage here in Texas, and I often drink when I am carrying.

    What is the big deal really? Some people shouldn't do it but I leave that up to them to decide. I don't think that a causal drink has any effect on my mental ability to determine if I can use deadly force or not. If we are going to go that far, then I am sure there are people that shouldn't be carrying at all because they simply don't have good sense to start with.

    I am not advocating being drunk while carrying, since that is clearly against the law and not a good idea, refer to thread where cop was shot in another jurisdiction for being drunk and a fool.

    This has been covered many times on here, and there are many different views. It really boils down to the law in your state and your personal abilities. Just because you choose to do or not to do something does not mean that everyone should follow in your footsteps.

    Oh, BTW, at home I probably go over the BAC limit and still have my gun on, there ain't no law against that one, and if someone breaks into my home it really ain't going to matter here in Texas if I am legally drunk or not. The broke window or kicked in door is justification enough for me and the law.
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    Hey 762,

    Last time I checked Nevada Revised Statute, I read that when you are carrying a firearm your Blood Alcohol Level has to be below .1. Pretty surprising huh? I do not drink alcohol and carry at all, because if you are involved in a shooting, witnesses will be questioned and exaggerate, "He was drinking Guinness all night", when in fact you might have just had one, and that could sway investigator's opinions on the shooting.

    As far as going into a bar while carrying, I do it. I'm also as meek as a mouse while in said bar carrying. If am involved in a shooting, I don't want witnesses to recall me yelling at other patrons and arm-wrestling blokes, because yet again that could sway investigator's opinions on the shooting

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickEMT View Post
    Hey 762,

    Last time I checked Nevada Revised Statute, I read that when you are carrying a firearm your Blood Alcohol Level has to be below .1. Pretty surprising huh? I do not drink alcohol and carry at all, because if you are involved in a shooting, witnesses will be questioned and exaggerate, "He was drinking Guinness all night", when in fact you might have just had one, and that could sway investigator's opinions on the shooting.

    As far as going into a bar while carrying, I do it. I'm also as meek as a mouse while in said bar carrying. If am involved in a shooting, I don't want witnesses to recall me yelling at other patrons and arm-wrestling blokes, because yet again that could sway investigator's opinions on the shooting

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    mine never gets above .05 probably. i'll just have one, not 2, 3, 4, 5...and then a soda after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    My personal view is that if you consume a drop of alcohol when carrying you should have the right revoked immediately. Even if you just have one drink and are totally sober, if you have to use your firearm you're going to run into real problems. That, in turn, will move beyond just being a problem for you and turn into a blackeye for everyone that carries a gun for self defense.

    Sorry, I vehemently disagree.

    Let me start by agreeing that guns and alcohol do not mix! Anyone who hunts, target shoots, or just plain messes around with guns while drinking is an idiot and should be beaten with a large stick.

    Now that we have that out of the way..... I carry a gun to protect myself and those that I love. The fact that I choose to have a cold beer with my pizza, or a glass of wine with my steak, does not mean that I'm any less concerned about my ability to protect myself or my family, nor does it mean that I'm at any less risk of being attacked and having to defend myself. I carry all the time, because I don't know when I may need to be armed. I accept the responsibility that comes with my decision to carry and while I'll limit my alcohol intake when I'm carrying, just as I do when driving, I'm sure as heck not going to disarm to have a beer with dinner. Doing that would be irresponsible IMHO.

    As an aside, it's interesting to note that FL statute does not prohibit ccw while intoxicated. It prohibits having a loaded firearm in hand or firing it while under the influence.......unless it is done so in self-defense. That pretty much sums up the right attitude IMHO.

    Drinking or not......DON"T TOUCH IT unless you need it. But if you do need it, it won't do you any good at all in the safe at home.....whether you're drinking beer or water.
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    My opinoin is don't drink and carry.

    If I have to draw a weapon i want my head to be crystal clear(as much as that is possible anyway).
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