Crazy Guy w/CCW
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August 15th, 2008 06:31 AM
Crazy Guy w/CCW
A guy that I work with regularly talks to me about getting his CCW permit. Because I know this guy well, I also know that he is not mentally stable and is the LAST person that I would want carrying a loaded weapon. I am all about 2nd Amendment rights but what would you do if someone you knew like this was going to get their CCW permit and didn't have any disqualifying factors on the books? Thanks for the advice.
August 15th, 2008 06:31 AM
August 15th, 2008 06:40 AM
If I knew he had stretches that he was suicidal or threatened others, call the cops. If he gets committed that would greatly restrict his ability to purchase firearms and should keep him from getting a CCW.
"[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons.
They are left in full possession of them."
Zacharia Johnson (speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention,25 June 1778)"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
August 15th, 2008 06:46 AM
Do nothing. Unless he has a history of institutional care or is under the care of a mental health professional, he has done nothing that would disqualifiy him.
Last in the door syndrome - if everyone whom someone else thought should not have a gun were denied a gun, none of us would have guns.
August 15th, 2008 06:50 AM
That's a tough situation. Unless you're a psychiatrist.... If it's just an opinion, I would think there's nothing you can do except watch this guy at all times. But if he's actually made threats or done something or been diagnosed as unstable, that's different.
Nobody wants an unstable person with a gun, of course. But what if some anti decided to say you were unstable, just to keep you from your right to carry..... Unless there is something more than your opinion, I doubt there's anything you can do.
August 15th, 2008 06:52 AM
I agree you have no right to interfere here. Lots of people talk stupid but are totally harmless. If the truth be known all of us could be considered "crazy", or "strange" depending on the shrink you speak to. I say do nothing but try and call him out when he makes stupid comments and see if he really means what he says. Maybe go shooting with him, maybe the idiot just needs a mentor of such? I don't know but trying to keep him from getting his permit because he talks stupid isn't right!!
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August 15th, 2008 07:50 AM
The guy doesn't have anything on record as far as I know.
Originally Posted by Dakotaranger
I agree totally, and I am hesitant to even ask because I support everyone's right to defend themselves.
Originally Posted by ctr
I'm not trying to keep anyone from trying to get their permit, just the opposite. I regularly stand up for gun owners and encourage the shooting sports and CCW with facts instead of opinions. Believe me when I say that this is just one of those guys that scares me because of his ideas and opinions and I think that we would end up seeing him on the news. He has not broken the law as far as I know and I'm just wondering if it is my place to say anything and if so would I even have a case? I just know I would feel terrible if I just let it go and somebody got hurt. Thank you all for your advice, this has been bothering me for a while.
Originally Posted by NCHornet
August 15th, 2008 08:02 AM
I had a friend that I felt the same way about. He had a bad temper and felt he was just wanting a permit to " be cool ". I talked to him about how serious it was and the consequences of pulling a gun on someone that wasn't warrented. He got his permit.
I didn't try to talk him out of it, I just wanted to give him some food for thought.
August 15th, 2008 08:55 AM
Lots of talkers ... and few of them do what they claim they have done or will do ... they just talk. I wouldn't worry, this guy probably will never take the time or lay down the money.
August 15th, 2008 11:55 AM
Frankly it's none of your business.
It's between your friend and the State.
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August 15th, 2008 12:00 PM
Your version of "crazy" and the Sheriff or LEO that signs off the permit are probably two different things.
We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. If he has no record of wrongdoings, technically he is innocent and able to get a permit.
Sure, its possible he could whack out later on, be that is something that anyone is capable of if they reach their breaking point.
Lucky for us all, it doesnt really happen much.
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August 15th, 2008 12:52 PM
If he's that stupid or crazy he won't have a permit very long,sometimes it's easier to get them than keep them,and if he's onea them guys that after he gets it goes around showing it off it he may end up doing something stupid and getting it revoked
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August 15th, 2008 06:31 PM
What does your state require in terms of CCW issuance? Is there training required? The instructor might figure it out, but you never know.
Originally Posted by KSJustice
You might have to inform the issuing authority. Get it on record that you question that he is fit to carry firearms.
How well do you know this guy? Have you known him a long time? If you haven't, it's quite possible that his past is documented somehow. If he's out there like you say, it's possible that his instability has manifested somehow at some point in his life.
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August 15th, 2008 09:15 PM
I don't mean this in a harsh way at all... I think it would be best to mind your own business.
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August 15th, 2008 10:54 PM
On what authority or professional basis should his opinion be taken?
Originally Posted by calmp9
If he has no record or professional diagnosis of instability, it' not your business to make that call. We all know someone like that and for all we know they may be a ccw holder. Fortunately the judgments of others who don't agree with our different personalities do not count unless unless it happens to 12 jurors.
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August 15th, 2008 10:56 PM
I would be careful about throwing stones...because chances are someone out there has/will question your ability/mental stability/behavior when carrying a firearm.
Originally Posted by KSJustice
If he has not demonstrated any criminal behavior and has not been committed/diagnosed/treated for a mental condition and meets training requirements (if there are any in your locality), he gets a permit.
Can you describe his mental instability? Because I bet the Brady people will think we are all unstable for keeping thousands, if not tens of thousands of ammunition at home; or owning more than one pistol, shotgun, or rifle...or <gasp!> carrying one for protection. It's a matter of perspective.
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