So we know CCW is not permitted on campus...

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    So we know CCW is not permitted on campus...

    What would happen if somebody with a CCW did carry their weapon with them while on campus, a shootout happened, and the CCWer fired and hit the one doing the shooting and ended the shooting ?

    Would there be legal troubles for the CCWer who brought his/her handgun on campus (assuming this is a campus where CCW is not allowed) even though he/her saved lives ?

    What would the CCWer be facing ?

    This is always something I wondered... IMO there shouldn't be any troubles for the CCWer.

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    I think they would be in trouble, the Brady Bunch would be all over it. I also think the families of many of the ones saved would step up and contribute to their legal defense fund and speak out in their favor.

    In the end they would be heralded as a hero, but expelled for breaking the rules; possibly even do time or pay a hefty fine.

    Or at least I would hope it would go down that way.
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    ccw is legal on college campuses here in VA. ITs just is against School Policy however, its not illegal to carrry a gun on a college campus here in Virginia.
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    depends on where u live and what type of campus. Here in virginia it's not against the law to cc on college campuses just against policy.

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    Same situation in PA. Most likely you would be expelled but also likely not charged since no law would be broken.
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    I ment to add that charging around campus may get u introuble during a shooting as you would be mistaken for the active shooter. This is not always true though look at the shooting at the Texas campus I know it was many years ago but when the sniper was in the tower citizens where asked and brought their hunting rifles to assist.

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    If it's not against state law, the student might just get expelled from the school and face an incredible civil litigation battle.

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    I actually asked Washoe County's (NV) ADA this exact question when I was interviewing him for a CC on Campus project I was doing. He said "We'd have to prosecute two people, the guy committing the crime and the person who stopped him." Washoe Co Is very CCW-friendly, and the DA (and judges) are pro-2A, so the charge would likely be minimal, but they could probably hammer you pretty hard in civil court.

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    In Tennessee, there is a provision in Tennessee Code Annotated which prevents one with being charged with firearms violations if one uses a firearm in legitimate self-defense. The catch, of course, is if one are caught violating the law before one uses the firearm in legitimate self-defense. Then the felonies and misdemeanors hit hard.
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    In MI the back of my card says that it is illegal to carry in a dormitory or classroom. But the actual campus, one would assume, is fine. It almost has to be this was for public roads pass through campuses near where I live. So you would actually be violating your CPL. I believe it's a $500 fine and 6 months w/o your permit.
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    Check the laws in your state. Quite of few are legal to carry on campus, but you'll be expelled if caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrugs View Post
    What would happen if somebody with a CCW did carry their weapon with them while on campus, a shootout happened, and the CCWer fired and hit the one doing the shooting and ended the shooting ?

    Would there be legal troubles for the CCWer who brought his/her handgun on campus (assuming this is a campus where CCW is not allowed) even though he/her saved lives ?

    What would the CCWer be facing ?
    For certain one thing that he would no longer be facing is his CHL permit which would be taken from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paco View Post
    I think they would be in trouble, the Brady Bunch would be all over it. I also think the families of many of the ones saved would step up and contribute to their legal defense fund and speak out in their favor.

    In the end they would be heralded as a hero, but expelled for breaking the rules; possibly even do time or pay a hefty fine.

    Or at least I would hope it would go down that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Travieso View Post
    I actually asked Washoe County's (NV) ADA this exact question when I was interviewing him for a CC on Campus project I was doing. He said "We'd have to prosecute two people, the guy committing the crime and the person who stopped him." Washoe Co Is very CCW-friendly, and the DA (and judges) are pro-2A, so the charge would likely be minimal, but they could probably hammer you pretty hard in civil court.
    Quote Originally Posted by falcon1 View Post
    In Tennessee, there is a provision in Tennessee Code Annotated which prevents one with being charged with firearms violations if one uses a firearm in legitimate self-defense. The catch, of course, is if one are caught violating the law before one uses the firearm in legitimate self-defense. Then the felonies and misdemeanors hit hard.
    that's how I imagined it would go down

    it's a shame

    oh well... not too long until I'm finished with school

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    I see it a little differently.
    For one, I think the media may try to bury the story, as the end result would be contrary to their agenda.
    I think the local law enforcement would probably not prosecute, because even if it was against state policy to carry in a school, most states, even the most liberal, have loopholes for self defense.
    I think the school may grant an "exception," this time to the CCWer, and allow them to stay in school provided they sign something saying they'll never carry at school again. Even though most of these school boards are very anti-gun, they'll get awful press from the NRA and many others if they kicked out someone who saved lives. I doubt many would change their policy though. The lib mindset is even though something isn't working, act as if it is and always has and always will work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrugs View Post
    So we know CCW is not permitted on campus...
    In Oregon, it's perfectly legal.

    What would happen if somebody with a CCW did carry their weapon with them while on campus, a shootout happened, and the CCWer fired and hit the one doing the shooting and ended the shooting ?
    It would be a media event for both sides. The Brady Bunch would twist it to sound like the sky was falling. People cognizant of the realities of self-defense against crime would laud it as another example of the benefits of having more than pixie dust in hand when crime finds you.

    Would there be legal troubles for the CCWer who brought his/her handgun on campus (assuming this is a campus where CCW is not allowed) even though he/her saved lives ?
    In some places, it wouldn't matter that you were God's anointed second son: you'd be in legal hot water. Dishonorable crucifixion seems to be the "in" thing, in many states. But, nicely, things seem to be changing all over the place, in the U.S. More states are putting "castle" law into place, to protect righteous self-defense actions against malarkey lawsuits.

    What would the CCWer be facing ?
    In a state where they want to go after you? Up to charges of murder.

    IMO there shouldn't be any troubles for the CCWer.
    You're right. There shouldn't, if it's self-defense.
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