SLED in South Carolina

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    SLED in South Carolina

    Does anybody have any information on when the revised list of states with reciprocity will be published? I have a resident from Florida, and would like to know if we make the cut....
    George H. Foster
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    It was just updated, not sure when it will be updated again.
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    All I can say is just keep checking the web site. SLED is in the process of researching reciprocity with other states. Everyone that I know that has spoken with SLED gets the answer of in a couple of weeks...that was a couple of months ago.

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    If you believe what SLED is telling you then have I got a nice piece of waterfront property for you!

    SLED couldn't give a rip about updating that list, and nobody can do anything about it because of how the law is written. Hang up your hopes on any changes for awhile.

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    Apparently when they are good and ready to do so... they appear in no hurry at all now that they got it worded so they have to check and its not automatic.

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    I'll bet that there is at least one State added prior to year end. They may be concerned about some fall out after what they promised the legislature regarding the ammended version of H 3212. The legislature goes back in session in January.

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    Well... there was one or two going to be added BEFORE the legislature took up the reciprocity bill... And they got put on hold until after this version got passed. So if they add just one we have just gone backwards.

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    Florida in there, anywhere?
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    scuttle but was that it indeed was next...

    But until then...


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    I suppose everyone wants the entire story and I apologize for not linking everything.

    Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)

    3. Reciprocity update. This makes my rear end tired. We have GOT to
    fix this. :-(
    ************************************************** ****

    **** SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENTS - BE SURE TO READ THIS ENTIRE SECTION!
    ****

    Tom Lambert, with the Virginia State Police, just sent me an update on
    Virginia's reciprocity status with several other states. I want to
    thank Tom for his professionalism and his diligent work to setup
    reciprocity with as many states as possible. The rant that follows
    has nothing to do with Tom - I want to make that perfectly clear.

    As I looked at Tom's latest update, one glaring problem jumps out at
    me: the Virginia State Police's demand that all reciprocal states
    have a system in place to verify the validity of their permits 24
    hours a day, 7 days a week, is crushing a lot of reciprocal agreements!

    The net effect is that YOU are left defenseless in many states as you
    travel solely because if this unnecessary requirement by YOUR state
    police. And many guests to this state are similarly and unnecessarily
    disarmed.

    That is unacceptable and we need to do whatever we can to get that
    24/7 requirement struck out of Virginia law.

    Let me show you just how inane and how serious a problem this is.

    ***Virginia has JUST stopped recognizing South Carolina concealed
    handgun permits. ***

    Why?

    Because apparently South Carolina does not have the 24/7 validation
    capability. For years now Virginia thought they did and has been
    recognizing their permits! Virginia just now discovered the problem
    while reviewing information with South Carolina!

    So for years not one single Virginia police officer has needed to
    verify a South Carolina CHP. If they had, this problem would have
    surfaced a long time ago.

    That confirms what VCDL has been saying all along: WHILE THE STATE
    POLICE DEMAND 24/7 VALIDATION, VCDL DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY EVER OR
    **EXTREMELY RARELY** USE IT!!

    Here is what the State Police's 24/7 validation demand has caused gun
    owners across the country:

    1. After many, many years, South Carolina has just offered Virginia
    reciprocity, BUT because we have just stopped recognizing South
    Carolina over the 24/7 issue, the deal is DEAD! :-(
    2. Virginia will not recognize Idaho, even though they have honored
    our permits for years, because Idaho does not have 24/7 validation.
    3. Virginia will not recognize Indiana, even though they have honored
    our permits for years, because Indiana does not have 24/7 validation.
    4. Virginia will not setup reciprocity with Maine because Maine
    doesn't have 24/7 validation.
    5. Virginia will not setup reciprocity with Alabama because Alabama
    doesn't have 24/7 validation.
    6. Virginia will not setup reciprocity with New Hampshire because New
    Hampshire doesn't have 24/7 validation.
    7. In a "what's good for the goose is good for the gander", Nevada
    has turned Virginia down because our damned 24/7 validation isn't
    automated!

    The State Police and the General Assembly need to understand this is
    not a game. Lives are at stake and we need to get rid of the road
    blocks that are fragmenting the 2nd Amendment and our right to defend
    ourselves and our families.

    This whole issue has just been bumped up in VCDL's legislative agenda
    for next year.

    We finally get offered reciprocity by South Carolina and the Virginia
    State Police force us to fumble the ball. I'm livid!

    If you are from South Carolina, you are going to have to use either a
    Florida, Utah, or a Virginia non-resident permit to carry concealed
    here, I'm embarrassed to say
    .

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    The good new is I found out that Fl was definitely on the list. The whole reason the bill was introduced was to get FL on board. The bad new is that SLED is still working on the list and they are not in any hurry. Keep checking back. As soon as a list is released you can be sure it will be posted here...


    The Latest on Virginia from SC Grass Roots :

    Ok, here is the straight scoop so far.

    VCDL sent out an alert that VA dropped recognition of SC permits
    because VA claimed SC doesn't have a 24/7 system of permit verification.

    I called SLED Regulatory and they said we DO have a 24/7 system of
    permit verification.

    I emailed the VA state police (and CC'd VCDL) to let them know SLED
    Regulatory says SC does in fact have such a system.

    I received this reply from Tom Lambert of VSP:
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    Dear Mr. Rentiers:

    Thank you for your email. The original information regarding 24/7
    verification was provided by both Capt Drakeford of SLED Regulatory
    and by message from the SC Communication center. Based on your contact
    we have re-contacted Capt Drakeford at SLED who indicated that they
    may have been mistaken in their initial response and will verify the
    availability for 24/7 verification shortly. I will contact you with
    their response.

    Tom Lambert
    -----------------------------------

    Hopefully this means we will at least get VA Recognition back, and
    perhaps even full Reciprocity.

    We are now left to wonder why/how SLED gave out erroneous information
    to Virginia officials in the first place. Capt Drakeford is the person
    replacing Capt Cliff Weir at Regulatory who retired recently.

    Bill
    I am also pleased to say that things are still on track for a SC-WV reciprocity agreement. West Virginia Deputy AG Tom Smith e-mailed me this morning and confirmed that South Carolina meets West Virginia's 24/7 verification requirement, that SLED has proposed appropriate language on this issue in the current draft reciprocity agreement, and that the only remaining hurdle is ironing out some legalese in the agreement to conform to some technical requirements of West Virginia law.

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    Not sure they did give out erroneous information.

    I don't know of a 24/7 verifications system for CWP permits operated by SLED for other states. Our LEOs' can call and check though. Perhaps they may has some method of contacting them that will solve Virginia's concerns but it would be perhaps some informal method rather than a method that was established by the CWP laws that solves it. So I doubt that SLED really gave out erroneous info but perhaps they have thought of an alternate solution, like opening that line up to other states to call, is what is being discussed.

    Will be interesting to see how they work this out.

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    I have no real idea but Bill Rentiers is the Executive Officer of Grass Roots South Carolina and I expect he knows much more about it than me. I am just passing along what he has posted.

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    VA needs to fix this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    I have no real idea but Bill Rentiers is the Executive Officer of Grass Roots South Carolina and I expect he knows much more about it than me. I am just passing along what he has posted.

    Oh yea.. I understand that.... I was just sort of putting forth a possible scenario of how it could have happened.

    Heck... I don't know either but it seemed plausible it was or could be some sort of misunderstanding of what a 24/7 system really is and what that really means.

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