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This is a discussion on Chambered round within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by glock27mark ...if you have two or three b.g.s and one round, you have trouble or define the world of physics and take ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glock27mark View Post
    ...if you have two or three b.g.s and one round, you have trouble or define the world of physics and take out two or three...
    How many SD situations involved multiple BGs. What are the real odds of surviving an attack from a gang. I don't need the laws of physics, I understand it can happen, I understand you can make it out, but I question most everyone's real odds.

    If I have 3 BG on me, 1 dead BG is better then 3 because I can't chamber a round.


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    If someone offered me either a gun with one in the chamber, or a gun with an empty chamber but a full mag, I'd take the one with the full mag.






    (And then when they weren't looking, I'd chamber a round.)




    Okay, I'll play.

    Full mag. I might miss with the first shot, and there might be more than one BG... and if I did have only one bullet and actually hit the perp, my one-shot-super-takedown bullet might be having an off day.

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    Thumbs down Isreali Tactics not for ME

    Hello All,

    By the looks of the poll results so far, only about 9 or so chose to

    practice the IDF training doctrine. I picked "ONE in the pipe" because

    I feel when seconds count you might only have a couple. The need for

    one more (to rack a slide) might cause you to be DRT.

    Safety First....Keep your groups tight,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanis View Post
    How many SD situations involved multiple BGs. What are the real odds of surviving an attack from a gang. I don't need the laws of physics, I understand it can happen, I understand you can make it out, but I question most everyone's real odds.

    If I have 3 BG on me, 1 dead BG is better then 3 because I can't chamber a round.
    1 b.g. is better, your family may hear about you
    laying right next to dead b.g.
    pick up any newspaper and you'll read about
    2/3 b.g.s robbing a store,carjacking,breaking
    into someones home. happens every day.
    (SHERIFF BUFORD T. JUSTICE) "what the hell is
    the world coming too"

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    Quote Originally Posted by glock27mark View Post
    ...happens every day.
    Sure, reported often. But most SD involve one BG, about 4 to 8 feet away and closing or gun to your head or knife to the body. I'm not talking in the home SD.

    So, IMO, in most multi-BG situations, even with a firearm, the guy with the gun (who does not have the initive) does not have the winning hand. You further limit youself by racking one in the chamber.

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    good point made but lets say there is 2/3 b.g.s
    or one rd. dose'nt stop the threat. now what???
    b.g. has a gun or knife, are you going to do any
    thing besides hit him over the head with a steel
    paper weight. if you're that close he's making
    you look like swiss cheese or slicing you like
    a thanksgiving turkey.
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    One in the chamber does not mean you are less loaded. Actually, you are as ready as possible.

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    In the Marine Corps field manual FMFRP12-81 entitled 'Shooting to Live' written by Fairburn and Sykes they take a different stance on this subject. If you have not read this book it is a very good read and covers many topics that are applicable to the CCW permit holder such as firing positions, loading and unloading, building combat ranges, and types of holsters that enable more efficient draws. The conclusions made in this publication come from hard lessons learned from many shoots on the streets of Shanghai in the 1930s.

    When talking about whether to use "safety" features on modern automatics, the author states that "the pistol, when carried on service, should have a charged magazine inserted but that it should never be carried with a round in the breach." They go on to say "it is possible to draw, load and fire by this method, which compares more favourably with the alternative of drawing, pulling down the safety catch and firing a round already in the breach ... the first method (with the breach empty) eliminates the fumbling and uncertainty inherent in the use of the safety catch.

    Using these and additional methods described in this book, in over 666 armed encounters with criminals in the instances where pistols were used by the police, they were able to kill 260 criminals with 42 police deaths. Pretty good odds I would say considering that the BGs probably had the element of surprise on many occasions.

    That being said, in regards to this poll, I would have to choose the full mag, safety off, vice one in the pipe.
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    This is a ridiculous question.
    The preceding post may contain sarcasm; it's just better that way. However, it is still intended with construction and with the Love of my L-rd Y'shua.

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    My 1911 is cock & lock, it's no good to me if no round is in the pipe.
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    Needless to say, there would never be a time where I would actually have to make this choice, but for the sake of your question... I choose round in the chamber because I don't practice with and empty chamber. Muscle memory will click off the safety on my weapon and pull the trigger.
    ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by titleist View Post
    who would have thought that the gun owners of America were without imagination and can't work within the bounds of their situation? Tisk tisk...
    Lay whatever claims you wish. The wording was vague. Each has answered as seen fit, with or without commentary.

    Of course:
    • If attacked, I'll pick up a gun no matter what it's condition.
    • If bringing a gun, I'll take one or more rounds, sure.
    • If having more rounds available, I'll take more ... of course.
    • If without my own firearm, I'll do what I can to erase the threat. Even if that requires swiping and turning the tables with the gun (or whatever) that's used against me.
    • In short: inventive as necessary, whatever it takes. In other words, if you're not playin' dirty, you're not tryin' hard enough. (Thx, S.Mac)
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    If I had to pick one or the other, though I realistically can't see this situation coming up ever, I would go for the single round chambered.

    As we have gone over countless times here, carrying a gun with out a round in the chamber, you may as well be carrying a hammer because that is about all the gun is good for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    As we have gone over countless times here, carrying a gun with out a round in the chamber, you may as well be carrying a hammer because that is about all the gun is good for.
    For a brief moment only.

    If there's a choice of a full magazine or not, then the decision being proposed is versus having a single bullet versus a whole magazine load. For example, that's 0+1 versus 12+0. That comes down to how perfect one believes a one-shot club can be, in a life-or-death situation.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    It's an interesting question. I voted for "one in the chamber" for purposes of the poll, following the something, rather than nothing rationale.

    One scenario which has been cited often as the reason for carrying an extra mag -- a malfunction may may be caused by a damaged mag. If you're unable to quickly chamber a round, you have nothing. If there's one in the pipe, you have something. The same circumstance could occur if a revolver's cylinder malfunctions after a single shot.

    It's unlikely, but within the realm of possibility, even plausibility.

    That said, I don't ever want to be in that situation, which is why I always carry in Condition One, and carry at least one spare magazine. If I carry a revolver, I have a full load plus a speedloader. I don't want to face the "no-win" scenario either.
    Cheers,
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